Report rates DePauw poorly for free speech

Wednesday, September 30, 2020

In a report that declares a free speech “crisis on campus” among 55 institutions nationwide, DePauw University came up alarmingly low on the list.

The site RealClearEducation released its 2020 College Free Speech Rankings on Tuesday, ranking 55 colleges and universities across the country based on responses from around 20,000 students.

In aggregate, DePauw ranked last in the survey from students across the political spectrum, with an overall score of 44.2.

“DePauw University came in last in the College Free Speech Rankings, with both liberal and conservative students rating the school poorly,” editor Nathan Harden wrote. “DePauw had the highest percentage of students who self-censored, a whopping 71 percent.”

University president Lori White responded by stating DePauw’s commitment to freedom of expression.

“Institutions of higher education, particularly those in the liberal arts tradition, should hold two important values – freedom of speech and expression and diversity and inclusion,” White said. “As the new president at DePauw University, I am focused on leading with these values and, as an educator who has spent my career in student support, I am striving to ensure that all of our students feel comfortable and supported exercising these values in harmony with one another.”

While the news certainly may suggest reasons for vigilance on campus, it is not clear how the institutions in the “comprehensive comparison of the student experience” were chosen by College Pulse, the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE) and RealClearEducation.

In explaining the methodology, the study cites the institutions chosen as “55 top colleges in the U.S.” while not necessarily indicating what makes them leading institutions. While it incorporates large public universities, small private colleges, religiously-affiliated colleges and Ivy League colleges, they are compared without distinguishing for type of school, enrollment or region.

DePauw is one of just two liberal arts schools on the list and one of two from the state, the other being Indiana University.

Additionally, while the authors go to some length to show their survey reflected the overall demographics of the schools, it’s unclear what was made of students who chose not to participate.

White did not directly address the survey itself — or any questions about how it was conducted — in her comments.

“DePauw strives to prepare leaders of integrity who listen and converse with others from a place of respect and desire to understand alternative points of view,” White said. “We want to be a university where all students, no matter where they reside on the political spectrum or any other form of identity, believe they can express themselves freely. We are a work in progress and I am confident we are headed in the right direction.”

The overall score of the rating is the sum of five-part scores:

• Openness to discuss challenging topics on campus;

• Tolerance for allowing controversial speakers on campus;

• Self-Expression, whether students have ever withheld their ideas due to how the expression would be received;

• Administrative Support, which is students’ perception about whether their college protects or punishes free speech; and

• The FIRE Speech Code Rating, which rates college policies on how they protect or restrict free speech.

DePauw’s score of 44.2 is an aggregate of a 46.7 for tolerance, 59.4 for openness, 56.2 for administrative support and 29.1 for self-expression.

DePauw’s rating is based on responses from 249 students.

In the matter of the FIRE Speech Code Rating, DePauw is considered a red on a scale that goes from “Green” to “Yellow” to “Red” to “Warning.” A red code indicates the college has a policy environment that dampens free speech.

While some may perceive the problem as more severe for those of a certain political persuasion than the other, students who identify themselves as conservatives gave DePauw a score of 44.9, or 55th among conservatives. Meanwhile liberal student responses put DePauw at 52nd on the list with a 41.1, ahead of only Louisiana State, Oklahoma State and Brigham Young.

Additionally, a list of comments from students regarding times the felt they could not express their opinions included more responses from conservatives, though both sides expressed some discomfort.

“A professor was making a comment on how all Republicans are racist and selfish,” one current senior wrote. “As a Republican I felt that I could not speak up and defend myself because of the position of power the professor was in.”

“Regarding Trump’s efforts to minimize/deport immigration, many students are supportive of his efforts whereas I am not,” a recent graduate wrote. “It’s difficult to speak about this when the majority have an opposing view.”

Others expressed discomfort even among friends and fellow fraternity or sorority members.

The complete report is available at https://www.realcleareducation.com/speech/.

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  • The day of dialogue must be a day of monologue. Is anyone really surprised at this? There are many students there who feel repressed, silenced even. They are not those in the Democratic Socialist club. Depauw has achieved a major goal of leftists - silence dissent.

    Cue those people in the comments section below.

    -- Posted by Youseriousclark? on Wed, Sep 30, 2020, at 11:47 AM
  • Since low= last, does first= high?

    -- Posted by beg on Wed, Sep 30, 2020, at 11:47 AM
  • When I worked for the university in the early 1990s, I read every edition of the DePauw newspaper. It was typically loaded with complaints from the most liberal along the student body about their free speech being repressed.

    As they spoke freely. In a newspaper.

    -- Posted by techphcy on Wed, Sep 30, 2020, at 2:01 PM
  • This article really struck my curiosity, as to why Depauw ranked so low on having free speech. So I read this "report"... and then googled about the organizations that conducted it, and about the problem of "free speech on campus". It's all completely bogus. This report should really be called "colleges we surveyed and ranked by how much conservatives students feel threatened by liberals". Depauw is apparently so low on free speech because conservatives are afraid to say they like Trump (so funny to me). These numbers can't be trusted. This report is dishonest conservative propaganda meant to deceive everyone, but I guess they think it's ok because it's all in the name of the holy war against liberalism. The fact is that Real Clear Education and FIRE are run by far-right idealogical conservatives and funded by other extreme groups like the Intercollegiate Studies Institute, the David Horowitz Freedom Center (whose "Academic Bill of Rights" would mandate more hiring of conservative faculty and would monitor professors' syllabi for "balance") and Campus Watch (which tracks and condemns liberal professors' comments on the Middle East). The goal of this propaganda is to actually limit liberal free speech and promote conservative ideology. I copy and pasted some of that. But the first red flag to me was the timing of this report. Second, the fact that only conservative news sites are reporting about it. This so-called "report" turns out is really just a political republican hit job on Depauw and liberalism on college campuses in general. But why Depauw? My conspiracy theory is that it's because of the positive reporting and activism lately related to Depauw, the local/state/federal republican politicians representing us (including maybe help from Mike Pence) wanting to keep a republican stranglehold in Putnam County and diminish liberal Depauw. It's so wacky lol Peace

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/prospect.org/api/amp/education/conservatives-behind...

    -- Posted by Raker on Wed, Sep 30, 2020, at 10:44 PM
  • Yep, if a really left-wing news site publishes something, it's real news to be trusted, depended on above all else, and quoted because of its accuracy.

    If it is published by a right-wing news site, it's no doubt a conspiracy, a whack job, bogus, can't be trusted, and an actual attempt at limiting free speech.

    That's a very old song you are playing, Raker.

    -- Posted by Prince of Stardust Hills on Wed, Sep 30, 2020, at 11:21 PM
  • I can sleep better now knowing this

    -- Posted by Keepyaguessin on Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 7:52 AM
  • Sorry Prince of Stardust Hills, but I disagree. Lies and propanganda aren't news. Except for the fact that someone is actually reporting lies and propaganda, that's the real news...

    -- Posted by Raker on Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 7:54 AM
  • RAKER, maybe it's just me, but if you are truly a liberal and hurt because you perceive a right-wing news source labeled DePauw's attitude toward free speech as one of the worst in the nation, then aren't you equally amazed that the very same "right-wing" news source labeled The University of Chicago as the best? I certainly am!

    Do you have any familiarity with the University of Chicago?

    How in the world could DePauw have sunk to the bottom of a bucket filled with really hostile and leftist-leaning, so-called centers of learning, by any news site, left or right? That's the primary question.

    The second question concerns DePauw's image toward free speech and how it can be improved.

    -- Posted by Prince of Stardust Hills on Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 8:32 AM
  • I am sorry my fellow Putnam County residents but, every Saturday I witness the staff and the students of all shapes and colors spew out free speech from 10 am to 1 pm. Right there on the courthouse square. Its disgusting to watch as they scream at the passerby's because they don't support what ever the hot topic of social media is for the day. So maybe the report is correct because they aren't doing it on campus. Maybe they should? Then our and I emphasize OUR courthouse square would be calm and not distracting to the drivers passing by.

    -- Posted by dan.gross on Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 9:10 AM
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    POSH - I think Raker was tormented by his parents with stories of Republicans stealing children and turning them into Reaganites when he was but a youngster himself.

    It would explain why Mike Pence apparently hides under Raker's bed, just waiting for that one opportunity...

    LOL. (It's all in good fun, Raker.)

    For real though, both of you make good points.

    Despite Raker's right-wing bogeyman ideations he is correct that anytime you get these surveys/reports they are usually skewed in some fashion - whether it is a political bias, a small sample size, or just the criteria they use.

    And POSH is certainly correct that any report that rates University of Chicago in high regard is somewhat circumspect.

    That DePauw rated below them could be a bit unsettling.

    But I wonder if school size doesn't account for some of this.

    Plus you must consider that a large part of these college students self-censor.

    For that they have no one to blame but themselves. It is up to them to decide what price they are willing to pay for their right to speak freely.

    Maybe it means not going to DePauw. Maybe it means challenging a professor.

    You cannot expect someone else to fight for your rights if you yourself are not willing to do the same.

    And at the end of the day, what this report really shows is...nothing.

    Its about as meaningful as DreadPirateRoberts' 10 Best & Worst Movies.

    -- Posted by dreadpirateroberts on Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 10:13 AM
  • Free speech is not dead,but ignorant is.This can go both ways. Listen to the news, read any news,watch any news,if you can.The right tries to silence the left and the left tries to silence the right.At this point ,it's a tit for tat.

    -- Posted by latewithtacos on Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 10:32 AM
  • Prince of Stardust Hills sounds like you're the target audience for this type of stuff. Which liberal school is worst is secondary, the main goal is to spread the false idea that something needs to be done about these "out of control" liberal colleges, where they protest having controversial conservative speakers and spread "liberal" ideas to students. I think the reality is liberal students don't want their school giving credibility to conservative speakers that have done or said hateful things, and they also speak their mind and question the reasoning of others who support those controversial figures.

    The clear issue in this report is conservative students in a liberal environment and their experience, not "free speech". Instead of making the that the main topic it's labeled as "free speech". This isn't some academic study done in good faith to help promote free speech or address some serious problem on campuses, this is really a political organization and a strategy to promote their cause and gain advantage at election time. Getting a story out on Fox News and making it look as official as possible that free speech in general is under attack... no legitimate news source or academic group would be so misleading.

    -- Posted by Raker on Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 11:24 AM
  • Raker, being a product of the public school system, I often lack the eloquence to express myself at every level. If you read my comment again, perhaps you might understand that I was agreeing with you to a point, expressly the fact that the University of Chicago deserved to be anywhere near the top of the list in regards to "free speech."

    It's obvious to me that the entire article was written by a left-wing hack determined to put the golden glow on The University of Chicago at the expense of lesser left-leaning universities. No right-wing journalist would ever award such a title to the University of Chicago. So it's probably a fraud meant to entertain. I was certainly entertained.

    Does DePauw need to be at the bottom of the bucket list? How would I know? I've never attended, but anecdotal information indicates DePauw certainly has a problem.

    The solution? I don't know. I just read and watch the news and try to make an informed decision. Would I send my kids there? Probably not; too much gossip and rumors concerning DePauw.

    Am I the target audience for articles such as this? Probably. I regularly read Haaretz, the NYT, WSJ, the Banner Graphic and watch FOX, CNN and whatever else I run across during my evening channel check, so I'm not offended at all if you call me guilty.

    -- Posted by Prince of Stardust Hills on Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 11:54 AM
  • Prince of Stardust Hills nah you got it all wrong but ok.

    -- Posted by Raker on Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 12:11 PM
  • Other than the sly comment by dan.gross about the protests, which by the way isn’t necessarily true. The students don’t just yell at passing cars, if they are yelling at a car, there’s a good chance the person in the car flipped off/ or yelled at the protestors. However back to my original point, I’m pretty proud of the comment section. Crazy how easy it is to see and understand someone else’s perspective

    -- Posted by Unbothered350 on Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 12:13 PM
  • In my life, I have witnessed more hate speech coming from people of the left persuasion than the right. I have also witnessed more attempts to shut down speech by the left.

    Why don't students who lean to the right take the same tactics on campus as those on the left? Serious question?

    Why don't students who lean to the left recognize hate speech that comes from the left?

    Why don't students who lean to the left stamp out, protest, and try to quiet hate speech from the left?

    These are fair and legit questions for conversation. I am not looking for blame shifting as I recognize there are those on the right who do the same.

    These questions are in response to the implication that hate speech only comes from the right.

    I agree on surveys and the agenda but a couple of questions to provide me clarity:

    1. If a conservative felt threatened to speak, that is ok? Or only when a liberal feels that way?

    2. Didn't the article offer a quote from both sides of the aisle regarding concern on speaking up?

    3. For the condemnation of the survey, is the same approach taken by the condemners when a liberal backed survey brings out a result that is in line with liberal theology?

    -- Posted by beg on Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 12:16 PM
  • In my life, I have witnessed more hate speech coming from people of the right persuasion than the left. I have also witnessed more attempts to shut down speech by the right. Just my opinion.

    -- Posted by BJCP96 on Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 12:23 PM
  • Prince of Stardust Hills btw Nathan Harden, the author of the original article, is a super duper conservative.

    -- Posted by Raker on Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 12:36 PM
  • *

    There is hate speech on both the left and the right. There is tolerance on both the left and the right. There is indifference on both the left and the right. To act like one is way worse / better than the other is laughable.

    The biggest issue is most people are so sensitive that they perceive differing opinions as hate speech because it doesn't align with their thoughts. We as humans struggle to not accept a differing opinion without letting it become personal. The comments on every BG article (from both the left leaning and right leaning) prove that.

    And then there actually is hate speech like Dan.Gross. It isn't anybody's courthouse. It's everyone's.

    -- Posted by RSOTS on Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 12:41 PM
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    RSOTS - Im afraid the end MUST be near... too often I am finding you and I in something nearing agreement. :)

    "The biggest issue is most people are so sensitive that they perceive differing opinions as hate speech because it doesn't align with their thoughts."

    Personally I don't believe in "hate speech" (or "hate crimes" for that matter).

    Speech is speech.

    And I don't know Dan.Gross but perhaps he was trying to imply that some/most/? DePauw students are not residents of Putnam County but merely guests and as such seem to be disrespecting the County as a whole... akin to going to visit your Colts-loving in-laws and obnoxiously rooting for the Patriots. Just a guess.

    Of course, those of us that live in the comments know that there are a fair amount of "townies" up on the square as well.

    As long as they don't make messes or obscene displays I figure, I don't care...better that than acts of violence and destruction.

    -- Posted by dreadpirateroberts on Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 1:06 PM
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    DPR - Yes these are strange times. Quick, lets disagree about something so we feel whole again :)

    I don't know Dan.Gross either but the fact that his comments leave you / others with the need to explain them is exactly the point. In an article about free speech he want's them to not have it because he disagrees with their viewpoint. And feels it's HIS courthouse but not theirs because of their stance. If anyone is disrespectful it is him.

    Just a curious question, I wonder if the ones that showed up for the "Back the Blue" rally on HIS courthouse were disgusting as well?

    The "His" and "Ours" words are exactly the speech (whether you call it hate speech or not) that further separates us. It's ridiculous.

    -- Posted by RSOTS on Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 1:21 PM
  • Crickets

    -- Posted by beg on Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 1:21 PM
  • RSOTS I agree with your point neither party is perfect, but you've got to admit that when it comes to crimes, bad behavior and lying, it's like 50 to 1.

    -- Posted by Raker on Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 1:39 PM
  • Liberals aren’t that much worse. They do love destroying property though.

    -- Posted by beg on Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 2:51 PM
  • The negative comments about the University of Chicago in this thread are really ill-informed, particularly on this topic.

    Chicago, in partnership with FIRE, led a nationwide effort several years ago to promote free expression on college campuses. The Chicago Principles have been adopted by colleges and universities across the country, including Purdue.

    You can read the document here: https://provost.uchicago.edu/sites/default/files/documents/reports/FOECommitteeR... and see more information about free expression at the University of Chicago here: https://freeexpression.uchicago.edu/.

    -- Posted by tjwade12 on Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 3:15 PM
  • Begs oops sorry I was actually talking the Republican party's long record of actual corruption vs. Democrats which is mostly political accusations that never bear out. Especially with Trump more like 500 to 1 amiright?

    -- Posted by Raker on Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 3:19 PM
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    RSOTS - Now, just stop it! If this keeps up, other people may start getting along...and then where will we be? :)

    "The "His" and "Ours" words are exactly the speech (whether you call it hate speech or not) that further separates us. It's ridiculous."

    I would agree that its a bit ridiculous and divisive. Forcing people into boxes doesn't help. Especially when they like putting themselves there without any help.

    I'm not trying to explain him, just speculating. And he did use "ours" so he's including SOMEONE, he just wasn't clear on who. LOL. Sir, if you are still in here...can you please clarify your statement?

    I don't believe in "hate speech" b/c it is too easy for people to censor under that guise.

    If someone you disagree with is talking...let them talk. Rebut them if able. Persuade. Exchange ideas. Let people hear it all and make up their own minds. No one ever suffered from having too many choices.

    I may not agree with the protestors message but it doesn't mean I don't want them to have the opportunity to be heard.

    I view it the same way I do most things... If I want the right to peacefully assemble, I can't logically or morally prohibit others from doing the same.

    Hopefully those who gave DePauw low marks (even those who are self-censoring) will try out the ideas exchanged here... and speak up. Lets see if DePauw (and by extension its student body) is "classically" liberal as they profess to the point that opposing ideas can be shared without intimidation or retribution.

    -- Posted by dreadpirateroberts on Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 3:41 PM
  • crickets

    -- Posted by beg on Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 3:42 PM
  • Oh come on now guys, is it by chance coincidence that the protests on square started shortly after Depauw went into session? Seriously, when school is over so will they be. Hey I too believe in free speech, but when someone from a group runs up and hits the window of my car with my five year old daughter in it that sorta crosses a line. Oh because I drive a truck I must not agree with free speech? I must be racist? Seriously folks we live in a country town. Pretty sure everyone here has a truck and a five year old daughter. So Please dont imply that I do not agree with free speech. Please dont imply that it is my courthouse square which by the was is called the Putnam county court house which directly implies that it is the counties courthouse. As this is all really concerning free speech which we are all doing right now, I would also like to point out this is not a left versus right thing. This is the powers that be poking the live stock so they eat each other instead of them. Don't be a sheep is the moral of the story. We were all neighbors and friends before social media and god knows we will be after this is all over with.

    -- Posted by dan.gross on Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 3:45 PM
  • dan.gross - They were actually going on before students came back.

    -- Posted by BJCP96 on Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 3:57 PM
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    Dan.Gross - your words not mine. I'm not implying anything. I was referencing what you wrote "Then our and I emphasize OUR courthouse square". I'll give you the benefit of doubt that you didn't mean that the way it sounds.

    -- Posted by RSOTS on Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 3:58 PM
  • I am still hoping that some liberal theologists will provide me clarity by responding to my questions. So far, I just have deflection or no commentary. Oh well.

    Raker, I do give credit to Democrats and scandal management.

    1. They are so much better at marketing and spin than republicans. Not even close. Republicans should be ashamed of themselves.

    2. There is only 1 mainstream media outlet holding the left accountable. All other mainstream media outlets ignore that opportunity and focus on holding the right accountable. Dig enough and you can find all you want from both sides.

    3. fewer scandals depend on how you look at it. I am sure most "scandals" that involve leftist participation aren't considered scandals by leftist accountability groups. Example- hate speech isn't hate speech if done by someone on the left.

    A side question that I would love some help on- With all the issues cities are facing and have faced over the decades and the same party in charge in most of those cities over the last 1/2 century or more, why do they keep getting elected? I am an independent that admittedly leans to the right of middle and I just don't get that concept.

    -- Posted by beg on Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 4:20 PM
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    dan.gross - in hindsight, it might've been good to know about the bad behaviour of protestors in the original post. :)

    Thank you for clarifying your original post.

    I certainly agree with the idea that there are those who wish to keep us fighting/divided for their own benefit.

    -- Posted by dreadpirateroberts on Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 4:28 PM
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    Beg, as far as scandals being in the eye of the beholder (left or right), sure you can say that it's subjective. However, this isn't subjective, it's facts.

    Criminal indictments by administration.

    Trump = 215. Nixon = 76. Reagan = 26. George W = 16. Clinton = 2. George HW = 1. Carter = 1. Ford = 0. Obama = 0.

    Those are facts, and there is quite the disparity there don't you think?

    -- Posted by RSOTS on Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 5:08 PM
  • beg, I've been pondering your last question for at least half an hour, and I don't have an answer.

    I met my first black person after jumping from a box car in the middle of the night in Kansas City, Mo., which is not exactly a bastion of whiteness. I was in a predominately black military unit and trusted my welfare to my black friends. I went to school with blacks, worked for a black man several times. Had black roommates. Lived within eyesight of the capital building of Alabama and explored abandoned plantations with my black friends. I taught classes where the students were predominately black, and in college, make of it what you will, one of my best friends was a black student of the opposite sex. And even when I got thrown bodily out of a black pool hall for winning too many games and told I could not walk on a black sidewalk, I never thought for a minute that anyone with whom I ever interacted was less than my equal in worthiness, aptitude, or intelligence. In fact, one of my black friends became my tutor in electronics class.

    The only thing that I can imagine is that blacks, like whites, might be divided by different economics and perceptions of what life, so far, has offered them. For the most part, the blacks I interacted were southern, mostly middle class, independent as you could imagine, hardheaded, likeable to a fault, and treated me like an equal, even when I was the dumbest kid in class.

    I am searching for the answers to the same questions you are. Maybe someday, instead of yelling and chanting, one of the young protesters up at the courthouse could explain life to me.

    -- Posted by Prince of Stardust Hills on Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 7:13 PM
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    POSH - This is completely off topic but that's a cool snapshot of your life story. I bet I'd enjoy having a beer with you.

    -- Posted by RSOTS on Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 7:44 PM
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    Beg - On topic in regards to your question(s) my best guess is upbringing, teaching, emulated behaviors, exposure, etc...

    I spent some time near Memphis in an area that I was a minority as a white man. The race relations in that area were 1000x better than the race relations in Indy for example. Was it because of white people not being jack wagons because they were the minority? Was it because black people didn't feel as threatened because they were a majority? Was it because both races had been raised different? Was it because both races had figured out over the years that there was no need to hate? I would assume it was a combination.

    And I am in no way saying that racism doesn't exist in that part of our country I'm just sharing what I experienced.

    -- Posted by RSOTS on Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 7:54 PM
  • actually supports my point so yes, quite a disparity

    -- Posted by beg on Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 8:02 PM
  • I wonder how many people defending DePauw here bash them for all the progress and change they have brought?

    -- Posted by beg on Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 8:05 PM
  • In regard to tjwade12's comment on University of Chicago and how they created a free speech pledge with FIRE. He said Purdue signed the pledge as well. This all fits the reality that this "report" is a political propaganda scheme to stop liberal college protesting (and trash Depauw). Purdue is a more conservative college, being led by uber-conservative Mitch Daniels.

    University of Chicago president Robert J. Zimmer is conservative and has made controversial comments criticizing "trigger warnings" and "safe spaces", and has dismissed protesting by students as merely being about not wanting to hear differing views.

    The president of FIRE, Greg Lukianoff, wrote a book describing his opinion on college protesting, which includes quotes from Robert J. Zimmer that argue similar ideas as Lukianoff. Lukianoff's book and point of view are thoroughly panned in this article: https://www.google.com/amp/s/psmag.com/.amp/education/the-coddling-of-the-americ...

    And this one https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/books/2018/sep/20/the-coddling-...

    Considering that one of the student comments in this report mentions a student Republican's club at Depauw (coordinated survey responses?), Chicago, Purdue, FIRE... the lines on this conspiracy chart are connecting pretty well!

    Actually there's obviously lots of reporting online about all these things, I'm just sharing what I found.

    -- Posted by Raker on Sun, Oct 4, 2020, at 12:42 PM
  • Raker, I’m quite familiar with Lukianoff, too. In fact you can listen to a speech I gave on this if you’d like: https://youtu.be/sUo06Azfgrg

    -- Posted by tjwade12 on Sun, Oct 4, 2020, at 10:25 PM
  • Raker,

    I would question your label of President Daniels. I think common sense conservative would be a more appropriate label.

    If you do an HONEST observation of his time at Purdue and as Governor, ultra doesn't fit unless anything to the right of far left is the baseline.

    When he was named at Purdue, you would have thought the world was going to end based on responses. You see staff now supporting his efforts in a majority way, parents support his efforts (especially tuition) in a majority way, he has suspended students not following COVID guidelines, etc.

    I understand you disagree with his positions but the label is not supported by the whole of his administration. I am sure you can find times where you can make the label fit. I can do the same regarding a left of center politician supporting far left theology.

    Using the label you do can only lead me to the following conclusions- have no/ little desire for real conversation, have no/ little desire to being open to the ideas of those who don't fit your political theology, observe thru a political filter that doesn't allow for a honest evaluation, and willingness to try and demonize via labeling of those you consider enemies.

    As a person who seems to lean to the left, I would think kindness, love, tolerance, desire for getting along, and freedom of expression would be tenets that would lead your dialogue.

    As for the origins of the survey, you are correct. Most projects have their agenda and drive the results to a presupposed position. This is done in politics, business, and, quite honestly, in personal observations. How we see things is not based on who we are but based on what we believe. I did note in the article a student from different persuasions shared their fear.

    I will ask from a centrist position and look forward to your response. Simple Yes/ No questions- should all students have the freedom to share their perspectives free of threats?

    -- Posted by beg on Mon, Oct 5, 2020, at 9:42 AM
  • beg, I'm in total agreement. Well said.

    -- Posted by Prince of Stardust Hills on Mon, Oct 5, 2020, at 10:25 AM
  • Beg I was referring to Mitch Daniels policies as governor.

    As far as students from different persuasions sharing their fears, that also appears to be a strategy of this dishonest dystopian scheme, is to equate conservatives having controversial opinions being scared to express them because

    they don't like the responses they get (which "free speech" allows), with other groups that actually experience discrimination and racism based on sexual orientation, race, or religion, to try to convince people that having opinions that offend or hurt others is the same is completely ridiculous.

    -- Posted by Raker on Mon, Oct 5, 2020, at 11:49 AM
  • Here's an example of conservatives trying to use this policy of "free speech" for the purpose they actually intended at the University of Chicago, where a conservative student makes a controversial statement that causes outrage, then plays victim and has Fox news and top republican politicians come to her aid claiming she's being harrassed and "free speech" is under attack. It's an article from the University of Chicago student newspaper, written by a student.

    https://www.chicagomaroon.com/article/2020/3/7/controversy-shows-free-speech-thr...

    -- Posted by Raker on Mon, Oct 5, 2020, at 12:52 PM
  • Raker,

    We will just have to disagree with President Daniels as governor. At least I know your definition of Ultra Conservative which also educates me where your perspective is coming from.

    I have no problem with your position on the survey and the speech you describe. We have agreement on both.

    When liberal theologists execute hate speech, are you offended?

    When surveys funded by and/ or executed by liberal theologists support a position you agree with, do you recognize and throw out the credibility of the survey?

    Just curious if you are balanced in your approach.

    -- Posted by beg on Mon, Oct 5, 2020, at 4:21 PM
  • Beg you got me, I have to admit I hate conservatives. Not really, but If you want my opinion for some reason, then give me a specific example and I'll tell you what I think.

    As far as Mitch Daniels, I'm not a historian, I just remember it was constant controversy with him. I glanced at his wikipedia to recall what he did. Thanks to Mitch, we got daylight savings time, school vouchers, right to work, the private toll roads, and more, all of which have proven over time to be not great or very bad ideas. I also learned that he hated Howard Zinn, author of The People's History of the United States, was glad when he died, and said every page of his book contained lies. Interesting! All this sounds extremely conservative to me.

    -- Posted by Raker on Mon, Oct 5, 2020, at 5:15 PM
  • None of these comments change the fact that the survey is right. Ask the students there. I do and they agree.

    -- Posted by Youseriousclark? on Mon, Oct 5, 2020, at 6:49 PM
  • There is only controversy when you disagree. When you agree, no controversy.

    YSC,

    We do have a former DePauw student (2020 grad) who is currently with us. She came here from another country and is not caucasian. She felt fear from both political spectrums and her own race.

    She basically said had little to do with race or gender but political beliefs. Liberals supported her when they agreed and went off the wall when they didn't. She said the conservatives were the same way but didn't go as far off the wall.

    She was disgusted with both sides and said both are intolerant and bigoted.

    -- Posted by beg on Mon, Oct 5, 2020, at 7:53 PM
  • Beg, anything that is hotly debated or gets people rankled is controversial by definition. I don't really have time for your word games or your philosophical questions, sorry.

    -- Posted by Raker on Mon, Oct 5, 2020, at 8:30 PM
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