City Council, RDC agree to keep moving forward with project

Monday, September 26, 2022
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A joint meeting of the Greencastle City Council and Greencastle Redevelopment Commission has resulted in a joint agreement to keep moving forward on the proposed wellness center/community center/YMCA project.

”I’d like to get a sense of the group tonight,” Mayor Bill Dory said during the Thursday night session at City Hall. “If we’re not willing to move forward, the project would basically die tonight.”

For the first time, city, YMCA and Putnam County Hospital officials all got a look at proposed costs for facility to be built on land (72.3 acres in all) purchased from the Ballard family east of the Walmart Supercenter along the south side of State Road 240.

The projected total cost is $28,350,000 -- $23,186,000 for the community center/YMCA portion and $5,165,000 for the medical office building section of the facility.

Those costs are significantly higher than the $14 million projected in the pre-Covid days of 2019. But that was also a rough estimate on a facility that then included just two gyms.

“The third gym and the craziness of construction costs” can be blamed for the increase in price, Mayor Dory said.

The third gym is something the community expressed a desire for during feedback, Ryan Penrod of the Wabash Valley YMCA noted. “There seems to be an interest in volleyball, basketball and pickleball,” he said.

Financial adviser Emma Adlam of Baker Tilly Municipal Advisers, Indianapolis, offered four scenarios for funding the project, with the chosen method coming through funds from the TIF (tax increment financing) district administered by the RDC and including a cash contribution of $14 million and a bond issue.

Taking stock of RDC members’ opinions, Chairman Erika Gilmore looked down the row of chairs at Lottie Barcus, Brian Cox, Gary Lemon and Gwen Morris and saw nothing but nodding heads and thumbs up.

“All of us are still very much committed,” she said, noting the thumbs up, “so Redevelopment’s in.”

Likewise, members of the City Council remained behind it, save Cody Eckert, who suggested it might be better to spend the money on other city projects.

“It’s not going to get any cheaper to borrow,” Councilor Veronica Pejril suggested. “It’s not going to get any cheaper to build.”

Completion of the project is for the “public good,” Pejril said. “We owe it to our community.”

RDC member Lemon agreed. “It’s now or never,” he said, echoing comments he has made in the past.

The approval process will likely take 2-1/2 months to complete, beginning with RDC considering a resolution on the matter at its 5:30 p.m. Wednesday meeting. The City Council will need to do the same with a public hearing to follow as the legal process to sell bonds continues.

The city, Wabash Valley YMCA and Putnam County Hospital are all involved in the approximately 60,000-square-foot project. The city will own the facility and lease spaces to the YMCA and the hospital.

Mayor Dory noted that the city has yet to finalize the lease agreements with the YMCA or Putnam County Hospital.

PCH Administrator Dennis Weatherford said his board had yet to see the $5.1 million figure for the medical office portion of the project.

Once it does and gives its approval, “then we’re all moving forward on parallel pathways,” Weatherford added.

An 18-month construction period is anticipated on the project with groundbreaking now likely coming next spring.

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  • Being conservative, let’s say a 10% over cost. If every person in Putnam County joins, that is approx 870 per person.

    If I was considering buying the “stock”, not sure of the return.

    -- Posted by beg on Mon, Sep 26, 2022, at 11:56 PM
  • Over time watching the discussions of the proposed YMCA it seems over half the responses are not favorable without a pool. Maybe the project needs re-thought. The price has doubled, interest rates are up and less that favorable community support might be saying scrap the project.

    -- Posted by Alfred E. on Tue, Sep 27, 2022, at 7:47 AM
  • Greencastle TAXES are going to go a bunch HIGHER!!!!

    -- Posted by becker on Tue, Sep 27, 2022, at 10:56 AM
  • I'm also disappointed there won't be an indoor pool! I'm someone that really enjoys lap swimming, but stopped doing it because there isn't anywhere local to go. A long, long time ago in high school I used to swim/dive, and also worked as a lifeguard for a couple of summers at the Greencastle pool and at Van Bibber, and also in Indy. I still enjoy swimming for exercise and have been to the Spencer YMCA just to use the pool many times. I also used to go to the Plainfield indoor pool, and the Greenwood Y to swim sometimes. Then, I learned that the public could use Depauw's pool if you were a 300 club member. So I did that for a year, but it cost over $300, and I got busy with work and didn't use it that much so I didn't renew it. But they don't do that anymore. I just learned that Crawfordsville high school lets the public use their pool for a few hours per day for lap swim and other water exercise. I think it's really unfortunate that there's nowhere in Putnam County with an indoor pool for the general public to use.

    And another thing, I don't get why they're spending 5 million to build a doctor's office for the hospital in the Y. I'm sure that idea was brought by the hospital, and wouldn't be surprised to learn there was a lot of pressure for it to happen. Other than making profit for the hospital, how is the public benefitting? How is a doctor's office going to help the YMCA, or vice versa? Or is that not the point of it? Are there not enough medical offices in Greencastle? Maybe someone can explain it to me. At 5 million, seems like it would take a lifetime for the city just to break even on the lease.

    -- Posted by Raker on Tue, Sep 27, 2022, at 2:49 PM
  • The article states a Medical Office Building not a doctors office. That could include therapies, etc

    -- Posted by Nit on Wed, Sep 28, 2022, at 11:10 AM
  • Hmm must be high demand for physical therapy, and they need a new building for it even though the hospital is five minutes away? Maybe they plan on using the ymca facility for their clients, so like the whole place is just a big injury rehab center, aka wellness center? And I guess there's also the basketball courts, and I'm sure there's rooms for kids birthday partys, but other than that, not really anything new for Greencastle that interests me as far as I can tell. But I guess we'll find out.

    -- Posted by Raker on Wed, Sep 28, 2022, at 12:32 PM
  • Agree with Raker. If this is indeed a therapy center, it needs a pool. It is a shame that Putnam County has no year round aquatic facility for community use. For many people, water exercise is their only option. Lack of a public pool creates a real health crisis for many. Ironically, 3 of our 4 high schools have pools funded with tax money. Why can’t these facilities be open a few hours a day to the public?

    -- Posted by 3m50 on Wed, Sep 28, 2022, at 8:29 PM
  • I heard that they didn't want the community center to have a pool mainly because of their Christian belief that showing too much bare skin in public is sinful, and invites Satan to make lust in your heart, which can lead to pre-marital sex and homosexuality!

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VQKcavhpBxE

    -- Posted by Raker on Thu, Sep 29, 2022, at 7:35 AM
  • Raker,

    Who is “they”? I agree with you that we need a pool. I don’t agree with your ridiculous theory of why one is not included.

    -- Posted by 3m50 on Thu, Sep 29, 2022, at 11:55 AM
  • Bro, I'm talking about those who run the young men's christian association, aka YMCA- and the christian conservatives on the hospital board and city council. They don't want women in swimsuits to be subjected to all the perverted boys' lustful gazing.

    Nah I'm just kidding it was reported they said it was because a pool was more expensive plus the added cost to staff and maintain, plus the liability insurance was going to be higher, that's why they decided not to. I think they said maybe someday down the road they might add one, but I doubt it will happen.

    -- Posted by Raker on Thu, Sep 29, 2022, at 12:51 PM
  • wow, just wow

    -- Posted by beg on Thu, Sep 29, 2022, at 2:46 PM
  • Well actually just sort of kidding

    -- Posted by Raker on Thu, Sep 29, 2022, at 3:29 PM
  • Do away with the third gym and put in a pool.

    -- Posted by Falcon9 on Sat, Oct 1, 2022, at 10:30 AM
  • Not sure why there needs to be 3 gyms but no pool?

    -- Posted by justagirlinGC on Sat, Oct 1, 2022, at 3:48 PM
  • The third gym is for playing pickleball! they also plan on having a racquetball room and shuffleboard, and a yard that will be used for croquet. It'll be right next to the hackey sack area and frisbee golf course (I'm just naming off a bunch of fad sports)

    -- Posted by Raker on Sat, Oct 1, 2022, at 6:26 PM
  • wow, so SSLLCS now bias against new sports?

    -- Posted by beg on Mon, Oct 3, 2022, at 2:24 PM
  • I guess in a few years when no one plays pickleball anymore they can use the extra gym for storage

    -- Posted by Raker on Mon, Oct 3, 2022, at 6:15 PM
  • Or the traditional sports since the citizenry will be moving away from "fad" sports back to traditional.

    I wonder if, back in the day when basketball, football, baseball, etc were invented, if the SLLCSS considered them fad sports replacing lawn bowling, bocce ball, jousting, etc?

    Pickle Ball is America's ( Sorry, I know an evil word) fastest growing sport. Is it possible it is a fad? Yes, of course! But, maybe not. The sport of the future (and now) is E sport and gambling.

    My perspective- E Sport leagues will be huge and if the right league goes public and you can buy stock, should be considered.

    Gambling has become the number 1 reason people watch sports!

    -- Posted by beg on Mon, Oct 3, 2022, at 11:18 PM
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