Local couple proposing hookah bar for downtown

Tuesday, February 14, 2017
Banner Graphic/ERIC BERNSEE Blake and Destiny Doolin address the Greencastle City Council at its February meeting, explaining their plans for a possible hookah bar in the downtown.

A local couple's dream of opening a hookah bar in downtown Greencastle may go up in smoke before it draws its first breath.

If the city's existing smoke-free law can't be amended, Blake and Destiny Doolin will likely have a difficult time opening a hookah bar -- an establishment where patrons share shisha from a communal waterpipe at each table -- within city limits.

The Doolins came before the Greencastle City Council at its February meeting to make their intentions known. However, the city's existing smoke-free ordinance casts a cloud over the possibility, it was pointed out.

City Attorney Laurie Hardwick noted that the city adopted a smoke-free ordinance several years ago, not a tobacco-free version.

Had a tobacco-free ordinance been put in place, the hookah bar could legally operate without amending the ordinance because hookah bars or lounges have transitioned from smoking traditional shisha (a syrupy tobacco mix containing molasses and vegetable glycerol which is smoked in a hookah) to smoking herbal shisha because it contains no tobacco, or nicotine and is considered legal indoors in areas that specifically prohibit tobacco smoking.

So the local question is not a zoning issue and wouldn't necessitate action by the Zoning Board or Plan Commission. Instead, making it legitimate would require action by the City Council, Hardwick said.

Since the city ordinance is more restrictive than the state legislation, the city could make an exception for hooka bars or cigar bars, she noted.

The City Council, however, wasn't ready to do that at its February meeting as Councilman Dave Murray made a motion to take the matter under advisement. That motion passed unanimously.

"Given what the city went through when this (smoke-free ordinance) went in," Murray commented, "at first blush, my feeling is not to encourage this."

Nonetheless, the Doolins said they hope to "create an atmosphere for younger people and college students" with a goal of helping decrease under-age drinking locally.

They would be open Thursday through Sunday from 5 p.m. with live local music on Saturday and game night perhaps with a pool tournament on Friday, offering an alternative place for young people "to hang out." The Doolins have their eyes on a Washington Street storefront.

The couple also hope to give back to the community should their project gain approval and prosper. They proposed presenting one $1,000 scholarship to each of the four county schools annually.

Meanwhile, in another downtown-related request, DePauw University received permission to close South Indiana Street between Washington and Walnut streets (alongside Starbucks and in front of Moore's Bar and Tap 24) on Friday, June 9 during Alumni Reunion Weekend.

"The idea is to bring alumni to the town square to see the renovation and the new businesses," university spokesman Angie Nally said.

While the alumni event will run 9-11 p.m., the street closing will be from 7 p.m. until 1 a.m. to facilitate set-up and clean-up.

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  • Come on, Greencastle, this is the 21st century. Greencastle would benefit from a new exciting business. We are overrun with pizza, gas stations and banks. Give them a chance!

    -- Posted by Queen53 on Wed, Feb 15, 2017, at 8:59 AM
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    I guess they're thinking it might lead to increased levels of illegal drug use or something along those lines. Personally, I think it's an okay idea. I especially the like the live music and game room ideas.

    -- Posted by DouglasQuaid on Wed, Feb 15, 2017, at 12:52 PM
  • I agree, let 'em smoke! and great job on the story Eric, Love the puns!

    -- Posted by GRNT on Wed, Feb 15, 2017, at 2:07 PM
  • Everyone on greencastle smokes at least most. One of the reasons I hate greencastle. Personally I think the town is trash anyways so smoke away!

    -- Posted by bj9876 on Wed, Feb 15, 2017, at 2:26 PM
  • I think it's a great idea. It will attract more business and goes with the flow. This town is full of left wing liberals. People need to do some research on this topic. Also, if it's a "smoke free" Greencastle, then why aren't we handing out tickets for City Ordinance Violations? Hell, start with Bank "management" on the square. Courthouse employees smoke right up against the building, frequently. Never, has the State required 8' rule been enforced. So, don't "blow smoke" up anyone's alley, Greencastle. (Pun intended). Also, for you "bj" the hash mark after the 8 means feet. Oh, and leave if you don't like this town. There are plenty of other towns I'm sure you'd fit right into. Such as: Fillmore, Newmaysville, Spencer, etc. I'll help you pack. :) I'm sure the majority of Greencastle would support this business. Doolins, you have my support and the support of many. I'll be sure to begin to snap pictures of City officials smoking underneath this "ban" and we will see how well it goes.

    -- Posted by BrutallyHonest on Wed, Feb 15, 2017, at 9:10 PM
  • Yes, make sure this couple is credible and then is Greencastle really ready for a business like this??

    -- Posted by kbmom on Thu, Feb 16, 2017, at 6:27 AM
  • Truthhurt$: Please show me the law which forbids taking someone's picture without their consent. If you really believe that I have some oceanfront property in Kansas to sell you.

    -- Posted by Ben Dover on Thu, Feb 16, 2017, at 8:04 AM
  • Btw Ben Dover, why don't you tell this couple to go open up this Hookah bar on that oceanfront property in Kansas.... Lol

    -- Posted by truthhurt$ on Thu, Feb 16, 2017, at 6:11 PM
  • Do the research on this couple. They tried setting up a Go fund me account for a so called business not to long ago... But after money was donated, no business? Also the company they keep is not good at all. It would be a matter of time before drugs were brought in the bar.

    -- Posted by truthhurt$ on Thu, Feb 16, 2017, at 6:16 PM
  • For the comment about this couple personally, you couldn't be more wrong. These two have always had the dream of starting businesses and you have to start somewhere. They started a GoFundMe account to help start a business and raised $20. Now they are trying to start a business. That is how that works, right? I also think a Hookah Bar will be a fun addition to the city for young adults!

    -- Posted by Andreawood on Thu, Feb 16, 2017, at 7:51 PM
  • If you don't want to patronize this business, that is your right. You do not, however, have the right to decide for anyone else.

    -- Posted by Geologist on Thu, Feb 16, 2017, at 9:14 PM
  • You are right andreawood would be a great addition for Greencastle....

    -- Posted by truthhurt$ on Fri, Feb 17, 2017, at 9:42 AM
  • So I know nothing about rules of formation for certain clubs/organizations, but what is the law that allows smoking to happen in places like the Elks and Moose Lounges (for example)? Could you not form an establishment that mimics those places in order to form a Hookah Bar? I don't have a clue if there are ordinances regulating location or tax breaks or whatever for private organizations, but it might be worth a thought.

    -- Posted by gfd622 on Fri, Feb 17, 2017, at 4:58 PM
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