Cloverdale Schools considers 4-H graduation cords

Wednesday, March 14, 2018

CLOVERDALE -- The major topic of discussion at the Cloverdale School Board's regular meeting Monday evening was whether to allow students to wear 10-year 4-H member cords at graduation.

Cloverdale High School Principal Sonny Stoltz, who will make the final decision, reported that he had received the request for Putnam and Owen county students in October and has been researching the idea ever since.

While he said it is a "noble idea," his current opinion is either to reject the request because 4-H is "really not a school program" or to set requirements to be met in the school's agriculture program or FFA chapter to qualify students for wearing the cords.

In asking for the board's opinion, he received similar responses from nearly all the board members, most of whom either were, are or have children involved in the program. The major concern was that allowing 4-H would open the door for other programs like Boy Scouts etc.

"I 110 percent support 4-H," Donna Fidler said, "but we would have to put criteria in place for another organization down the road."

President Vivian Whitaker, who was a 4-H member, pointed out, "We don't recognize Eagle Scouts," and went on to say that 4-H is not necessarily about agriculture, offering events in photography and leadership as well.

Duane Huge echoed her sentiments, saying "There is definitely a separation between 4-H and FFA. You're doing a huge disservice to students in 4-H if you tie it into FFA. I think 4-H kids get their recognition at the fair. I'm extremely supportive of 4-H, but I also know we don't control 4-H in our school corporation. It should reflect the organizations we have in our school corporation."

Principal Stoltz reported that Greencastle Community School Corporation, having no agriculture program, has declined the request, but South Putnam Community Schools and North Putnam Community Schools have already accepted.

In other news:

-- Absences: Katrina Lewis was absent.

-- Claims: The board approved claims at $652,918.45, a decrease from last month of $122.810.90. The year's average is $706,516.69.

-- Comments: In speaking of the band and boys' basketball achievements over the weekend, Superintendent Greg Linton said, "We appreciate the parents and staff who take the time to prepare students for these events."

-- Donation: The board approved the donation of boulder signs for each school building from Goss Boulder Designs, a company of Gary and Julie Goss, at a value of $1,750. Gary is a 1970 graduate of Cloverdale High School.

-- Ford F350: The board declared a 1996 Ford F350 van surplus, after a report from Superintendent Linton that it would cost more to fix the vehicle than it is worth. He said the school plans to replace the van with a used pick-up truck this spring.

-- Personnel: The board approved the following personnel report:

-- Resignation: Paula Shadwick (CES part-time custodian); Natasha Archer and Mandy Evans (CES/CMS part-time cafeteria employees)

-- FMLA: Debbie Fidler (CHS secretary)

-- Coaching: Paige Gruener (7th-grade volunteer softball coach); Tom Royce, Mark Couch and Clyde Spencer (CHS volunteer assistant softball coaches)

-- Policy: The board heard the first reading of general updates to Volume 30 Number 1 of the Cloverdale Community School Corporation policy. The policies in question relate to general issues.

-- Students of the Month: The March Students of the Month were Killian Blair (kindergarten), Isaac Maldonado (8th grade) and Olivia Boothby (senior).

The Cloverdale School Board's next regular meeting is set for April 9 at 7 p.m. in the Arthur C. Johnson Administration Building at 401 E. Logan St.

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    In a society that found justification for more than 2 genders, is the right to wear a cord during a once-in-a-lifetime small town graduation ceremony that represents the accomplishments someone made during times spent learning about world-changing domains of knowledge that everyone on Earth ultimately benefits from while simultaneously acting as an example for others through incentivizing academic virtue and hard work...

    ...asking for too much?

    The 9 millimeter mindsets running the education systems today are no match for the .357 Magnum world they expect their pupils to defend themselves against.

    Give them the cord, slap a nuanced name to it, and move on to the bigger fish you people should've been frying yesteryear.

    -- Posted by DouglasQuaid on Tue, Mar 13, 2018, at 10:07 PM
  • Too much caffeine for DQ.

    -- Posted by donantonioelsabio on Wed, Mar 14, 2018, at 8:45 AM
  • All of society does not recognize more than 2 genders. Only the liberal uneducated believes this lie. There are only male and female--period.

    By the way, small towns in America is what helped to make America strong. One should not denigrate this concept.

    Instead of downgrading modern education why don't you jump into the fray and try helping and not criticize.

    -- Posted by donantonioelsabio on Wed, Mar 14, 2018, at 9:20 AM
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    The modern education system failed you in more ways than one (reading comprehension, critical thinking, and general applied logic being but a few attributes worth mulling) but the subject you're puckering some lip over is the exact point I was addressing.

    Let's not kid ourselves, Eric: You know nothing about me, never have, and never will. This fact includes knowing anything about my professional credentials, so for all you know, I could be ANYONE (up to and including being an education system deity)...and had you any inkling of awareness concerning said environment, its current socioeconomic climate, and the public pressures responsible for dictating administrative initiatives set forth using political artifacts like Title IV, Affirmative Action, established LGBTQ policies, various special interests, current pedagogy and the curriculum being pushed toward today's enrollments, you'd know and understand the progressive measures used to enforce observance of items you clearly have an axe for. Your dichotomous models are dead, whether you (or I) like it or not. But hey, I'm not saying everyone should drink the Kool-Aid. Just understand that if you pass on the glass, be prepared to either be asked to attend a "cultural awareness workshop" or accept severance.

    But all that aside, you don't get to command people on here anymore than I do and you really need to get over having been made a monkey of. :.)

    -- Posted by DouglasQuaid on Wed, Mar 14, 2018, at 11:05 AM
  • WOW!!! You really get worked up very easily. Interesting.

    No, I do not need a "cultural awareness workshop". I am very aware of the debased, and demented, culture of today. I also know you are not a "deity" although you are probably legend in your own mind.

    Or perhaps, you are a liberal who believes they know better for everyone else how you perceive things should be.

    I do read your comments here and sometimes you are spot on but, not in this case. You lambasted high school students about an award. Why should that bother you???

    Liberals are ruining America. We need good old fashioned precepts that built this country.

    If you are a "professional" you would not get so worked up over my comments--after all I have the right to express them. You are right I do not know anything about you but, I have met a lot of people like you in my life and none of them have impressed me. And neither do you DQ.

    -- Posted by donantonioelsabio on Wed, Mar 14, 2018, at 7:00 PM
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    Not worked up, not a liberal, not lambasting kids, not devaluing America's grassroots... I am, however, getting bored with your turd logic and inability to diversify your mental processes.

    I'll *let* you have the last word. :.)

    -- Posted by DouglasQuaid on Wed, Mar 14, 2018, at 8:20 PM
  • Word. . .

    -- Posted by donantonioelsabio on Wed, Mar 14, 2018, at 10:57 PM
  • Beata memoria dulcium amicitorum non cito delebitur.

    -- Posted by donantonioelsabio on Wed, Mar 14, 2018, at 11:07 PM
  • Somebody(s) put the thesaurus to good use. Wait, delete good.

    -- Posted by kbmom on Thu, Mar 15, 2018, at 7:16 AM
  • For what itís worth, I agree with the boardís decision. I am a 10 year 4Her, my kids were, and none of us ever expected any recognition from school.

    Most 4H members are members of other organizations. The student in Band or choir can also join the 4H band or choir. The National Art Honor Society kid can show off his skills in a craft, ceramics, painting, photography or other art 4H category. There are so many aspects to 4H that are enhanced because of other avenues students choose. The student is better because of the 4H program and his skills will prove it. But 4H is not a school program and should not be treated as such.

    -- Posted by your mom on Mon, Mar 19, 2018, at 3:21 AM
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