Councilman suggests it’s time to do something about square trouble spots

Wednesday, May 1, 2019
A traffic scene at the corner of Washington and Indiana streets of the southeast corner of the Putnam County Courthouse Square illustrates just how hazardous conditions are downtown with parking along both sides of Washington Street and big rigs coming in both directions.
Banner Graphic/ERIC BERNSEE

With the enforcement part of parking on the Putnam County Courthouse Square apparently rectified, one Greencastle councilman wonders if it’s time for more drastic measures.

In the name of safety, visibility and maneuverability, City Councilman Dave Murray has suggested the city revisit how parking is positioned along the south side of the square, as well as in the block of Washington Street immediately east of the square (between Starbucks and Old National Bank).

Speaking during the Council reports portion of the April City Council meeting, Murray said he was offering the suggestion as a ”heads-up for members of the Council and the public.”

“I’ve been concerned,” he said, “about that corner across from Starbucks and the parking along ONB, and have felt for some time -- and I know that I’m not the only one to feel that way -- that some of those spaces should be eliminated.

“It’s really tight in there, and people are trying to go by on the right (at the northeast corner) because somebody’s turning left.”

Murray said he has recently met with Mayor Bill Dory and Police Chief Tom Sutherlin about the matter, and although no changes are in the immediate offing, Sutherlin later talked with Alicia Linton, who runs the park enforcement program for GPD.

“The other intersection she’s concerned about,” Councilman Murray said, “is particularly where tractor-trailers are coming south on Jackson Street, trying to make that left-hand turn in front of (the former site) Family Support Services, where of all things, we have a handicapped parking space.

“I don’t know how you get in and out of there with those tractor-trailers coming at you,” Murray added.

The conversation, Murray continued, has been about turning the dozen diagonal parking spaces on the south side of the square into probably half as many parallel parking spots, which would open up space for semis to turn more safely.

That’s certainly not a new idea. In fact, it was a change first suggested by a 1980 transportation study undertaken by the Evansville firm Bernardin and Lochmueller. Those same engineers also suggested turning Washington and Franklin streets into one-way pairs between the square and Bloomington Street (which would have necessitated buying at least two properties to allow access from Franklin at Bloomington Street). None of those suggestions was ever implemented.

However, a public hearing on the findings of that study produced a classic response from a veteran truck driver, who addressed the City Council headed by Mayor Jane Harlan.

As those findings were being shared with a generally disagreeable public, the trucker, who had run big rigs from coast to coast, stood before the City Council and opened local eyes in what was then a smoke-filled room above the fire station.

“That section of 231 through here (Greencastle),” he told a room so quiet you could have heard his cigarette ash drop, “is the biggest bottleneck between Chicago and Florida.”

Of course, that analysis was a bit of an exaggeration (ever driven through Atlanta?), but the point was hammered home on how truck drivers feel about making that awful turn on our square.

Meanwhile, the possibility of the parallel parking change and elimination of two or three spaces along East Washington Street, just east of Indiana Street, are just suggestions right now, Murray assured.

“We’re a long way from putting this on (City Attorney) Laurie’s (Hardwick’s) plate,” he said, realizing that the Indiana Department of Transportation would have a say in the matter as well.

“But I want to solicit any information and input,” the councilman said, hoping for more dialogue in the near future.

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    Government in action. Its been an issue for 39+ years and still nothing has been done.

    If you want it fixed, fix it already. And fix it right.

    Yes, its going to cost money. Lots of money.

    Why? B/c a bypass is needed.

    That is the only way this will be resolved properly. Anything else is putting a band-aid on a bullet wound.

    There are two logical places to put the bypass: 1)west of the square (beyond the edge of town) to have it meet up with Veterans Highway south by the bowling alley, or 2) north of town, running east to a point just east of town (Fillmore Rd maybe?), turning south to hit Veterans Highway.

    My suggestion is going west.

    Pick your poison. But if you want it fixed, this is how to fix it.

    (For now, we can overlook the glaringly obvious fact that it should've been done years ago with a straight shot down Jackson, but the city being beholden to DePauw College killed that.)

    -- Posted by dreadpirateroberts on Wed, May 1, 2019, at 9:08 AM
  • Yes it is a pain but taking away parking spots from an already limited selection is not the answer. This is yet another reason to not shop downtown. I agree we need a bypass for a permanent fix.

    -- Posted by myjaylantt on Wed, May 1, 2019, at 9:23 AM
  • how about any semis going south continue south on Jackson and no turning at courthouse

    -- Posted by okingjr on Wed, May 1, 2019, at 10:01 AM
  • My understanding when the Southern Highway was built was to allow the trucks to go south on Jackson St to the Southern Highway. Depauw could always build a walkway bridge over Jackson for the students.

    -- Posted by Fritz on Wed, May 1, 2019, at 10:09 AM
  • A semi made a turn and crushed my car on that sharp turn-allstate never collected a penny cause he was from mexico and a inexperienced driver-using the truck route is the answer-so what if it takes them down franklin-safety of our people should come first priority over the college.

    -- Posted by oldschool68 on Wed, May 1, 2019, at 10:17 AM
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    The original plan (from my recollection) was to do just that - send traffic straight down Jackson to Veterans Highway.

    But DePauw, being master of the town, voted down that idea b/c of the athletic fields being on the west side of Jackson and college kids being too stupid to know how to cross a street, which is apparently a real thing as several times in different parts of "downtown" I have nearly hit college kids who don't understand how crosswalks work, or even know that they exist.

    Yes, they could (and should have long ago) build a pedestrian bridge.

    But I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it.

    -- Posted by dreadpirateroberts on Wed, May 1, 2019, at 10:19 AM
  • I'm with Fritz. Make DePauw build a bridge for the students. It makes more sense for the trucks to drive straight down Jackson to 240, and if that route was created originally for the trucks to go down, then they should.

    -- Posted by momof2ingreencastle on Wed, May 1, 2019, at 11:36 AM
  • The City whines for years about parking on the square and now wants to eliminate 6 spots? A bypass will probably never happen, cost can't be justified by the benefits. Westbound Washington drivers routinely stop way past the stop bar, making it tough on big rig drivers. Eliminate one space on the South side of Washington and move the handicap spot east about 8 feet. Any skilled rig driver would be able to make that turn.

    -- Posted by Ben Dover on Wed, May 1, 2019, at 2:03 PM
  • INDOT would be the paying party for bypass. Maybe in 20 years...

    -- Posted by kubotafan on Wed, May 1, 2019, at 4:57 PM
  • Instead of a pedestrian bridge over Jackson, why not put a pedestrian stoplight at the intersection of Jackson & Hanna? There would need to be one for Asbury Towers as well. A Jackson Street bypass is the only logical solution.

    -- Posted by 3m50 on Wed, May 1, 2019, at 10:32 PM
  • Fortunately, so many businesses and services have moved to the east side of town that there are very few reasons to visit the courthouse square unless you are taking 231 north to run to Home Depot in Crawfordsville.

    -- Posted by Prince of Stardust Hills on Thu, May 2, 2019, at 12:20 AM
  • I lived in Greencastle 15 years ago, but moved due to a corporate relocation. Sounds like the problem STILL has not been resolved. Has this issue ever been brought to a vote? Everyone seems to have a solution, and knows what would work or what would fail. Come on, Greencastle citizens...demand some action! There are ways to get things done, but constantly complaining serves no purpose whatsoever.

    -- Posted by somethingtotalkabout on Thu, May 2, 2019, at 10:22 AM
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    jandbnor have you visited the courthouse square since 2013? Quite a few reasons to visit...

    -- Posted by Vince Aguirre on Fri, May 3, 2019, at 6:45 AM
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