Teachers see significant pay increase in new Greencastle Schools contract

Monday, November 1, 2021

With salary increases anywhere between 8 and 16 percent, the Greencastle School Board approved a new collective bargaining agreement for teachers on Monday.

Recently ratified unanimously by the Greencastle Classroom Teachers Association (GCTA), the agreement also received a 4-0 vote from the Greencastle School Board, with President Mike White making the motion, seconded by Vice President Russell Harvey.

Dale Pierce and Brian Cox joined them in the unanimous vote. Member Ed Wilson was not present for the brief special meeting.

Of note in the new agreement is that it increases the starting salary for a teacher with a bachelor’s degree from $35,000 to $40,000. The State of Indiana has mandated that school corporations meet this threshold by the end of next contract year, so representatives of both the teachers and the administration were pleased to be ahead of schedule.

Kristien Hamilton

“We were just glad that the corporation took the legislative requirement of the $40,000 minimum and got there now instead of in two years because we weren’t expecting that to happen this year,” GCTA President Kristien Hamilton said.

“We know that we have to hit the $40,000 minimum by the end of next contract year,” Supt. Jeff Gibboney said. “We didn’t have to make all the jump in one year, but we’re making that this year.”

The new contract represents significant increases across the salary schedule for Greencastle teachers, with starting salaries at $40,000 for teachers with a bachelor’s degree, $41,000 for a master’s degree and $42,000 for a doctorate.

Meanwhile, the same three categories top out at $68,275 for bachelor’s degrees, $69,982 for master’s degrees and $71,689 for doctorates.

The new contract also increases the stipends for extracurricular activity sponsors and coaches.

The second-year superintendent attributed the ability to offer the increase to three factors, noting 69 more students than last spring, an overall increase in funding from the state and not replacing some teaching positions and central office staff members.

“All of those things have helped to put us on a continued path to be in better shape financially,” Gibboney said. “We still have work to do — we don’t want to take one step forward and two steps back — but it allowed us to really work to take care of our teachers.”

White was pleased with the combination of factors contributing to the increase.

“It was really kind of a perfect storm with the funding, the increased enrollment and the money savings that we have done over the last year and a half or so,” White said. “That worked in favor of being able to offer this contract this year.”

Besides meeting the $40,000 minimum, Gibboney said the contract also comes close to meeting the upcoming requirement that 45 percent of state tuition assistance be spent on teacher salaries.

The superintendent also emphasized that the corporation wants to keep moving forward with teacher salaries.

“We’re obviously not out of the woods. We want to do what we can to increase that and not get stagnant,” Gibboney said. “But our teachers are happy with it. They’ve gone some time without getting a raise to their base. They’ve received some stipends over the years.”

Hamilton said the contract actually exceeded the expectations of the GCTA.

“We’re very thankful because they went and met our request and more. What we asked for, eventually we got to it and more,” she said. “Not having a raise for at least four years or so, this was a nice way to make that up for us.”

Gibboney and White noted that with the increase to teachers’ salaries, the next focus will be on salary increases for support staff.

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    Great news for our teachers.

    -- Posted by kvickykrider on Tue, Nov 2, 2021, at 3:42 AM
  • Only an extra 2 grand for a doctorate? Pretty stingy.

    -- Posted by Ben Dover on Tue, Nov 2, 2021, at 10:35 AM
  • Now, at least, their take-home pay will actually "take them home".

    -- Posted by donantonio on Tue, Nov 2, 2021, at 10:58 AM
  • Bend,

    Interesting observation and brings up a question to ponder- does a specific degree make the instruction better and than a lesser degree or does the person doing the instruction have a greater impact on the quality of the instruction, regardless of degree status?

    -- Posted by beg on Tue, Nov 2, 2021, at 11:59 AM
  • Merit raises can be considered after hiring. Just saying the extra time and effort in getting a doctorate degree should be worth way more than $2K/year over a bachelor's.

    -- Posted by Ben Dover on Tue, Nov 2, 2021, at 7:56 PM
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    I would like to know why the State is mandating minimum salary requirements for teachers in the first place.

    This belongs at the local level between the school board and the teachers.

    -- Posted by dreadpirateroberts on Tue, Nov 2, 2021, at 9:27 PM
  • Ben Dover,

    What the 2K difference is showing is that a EdD is NOT really necessary to do in classroom instruction. What it is necessary for is advancement into administrative jobs, which are not subject to the listed pay scales.

    P.S. EdD's are a joke anyway as shown by our intrepid FLOTS "DR" Jill

    -- Posted by hometownboy on Wed, Nov 3, 2021, at 11:08 AM
  • Local boards do not have full control of their budget anymore (this happened a few years ago). All revenue tagged for education is sent to the statehouse and they use a formula to decide how much each school corporation will receive. This formula seems to change on an annual basis.

    This has caused some issues for a multitude of smaller schools when it comes to teacher compensation. Schools can't raise their teacher pay, and teachers, in return, do not even bother to apply to these small schools. Couple that with the issues created by the teacher shortage and you end up with schools finding themselves in the position of not having the ability to fill all of their teaching vacancies. One could say that the government has created this problem, therefore they need to fix it. This is an attempt to fix it. It could result in the forced consolidation of the aforementioned smaller schools, but that is another issue altogether.

    -- Posted by your mom on Wed, Nov 3, 2021, at 11:21 AM
  • your mom,

    good point on consolidation. I've long advocated for ALL putnam county schools to consolidate into a single district to at a minimum save on administrative costs (why do we have 4 separate superintendents and support staff in this county?). Additionally, consolidation of South Put / Cloverdale HS (or going down to 2 HS's for the entire county) would make logistical sense as well. This would put us more in line with other county school systems, remove waste in the system, and allow for an overall better education system since it would allow for more competitive teacher pay. Obviously, this isn't going to happen b/c the residents of this county are to set in their ways and are more concerned with athletic rivalries than actual education.

    -- Posted by hometownboy on Wed, Nov 3, 2021, at 11:32 AM
  • hometownboy,

    I used to hold the exact same position, and then I did some research. Once a school corporation gets spread out geographically, it requires more and more “assistants”. On the face it would seem that you would drop 3 of the superintendents and the county would save around $300,000. But when you look at other large school corporations, you can see how that money gets eaten up pretty quickly. I urge you to look into Vigo county. They have 16 different administrative positions (not including secretary staff, and this is after a relatively recent scaling back). Compare that to many small schools that only have two to three. I even found one in southern Indiana where the superintendent took care of the wastewater, groundskeeping, and transportation. It is much easier to keep your local boards in check and easier for boards to keep their corporation in check if they are dealing with a small school corporation. Knocking on wood here, but the vast majority of the time when you see financial discrepancies and corruption, it is with these large school corps (again, look into Vigo county). Also in terms of culture, small school superintendents show up to community events, sports, and academic competitions. With that being said, they should have a pulse on the desires of your community, because they are available to all stakeholders.

    -- Posted by your mom on Wed, Nov 3, 2021, at 12:28 PM
  • your mom,

    I see your point but would also point out the relative enrollment between vigo and putnam county (all data obtained from US News & World report data)

    Vigo Count Total = 14,642

    South Putnam = 1,118

    North Putnam = 1,364

    Cloverdale = 1,101

    Greencastle = 1,840

    Putnam County Total = 5,423 (~37% of Vigo County)

    So while i understand that consolidation wouldn't decrease the administrative staffs by 75% it could reduce it by 50% which is still a pretty big savings. Additionally, these savings could then be DIRECTLY applied to improve teacher compensation WIHTOUT raising taxes. If the end goal is to improve teacher retention and recruitment this is a no brainer. As far as fraud that can happen anywhere regardless of district size and can be mitigated by an involved school board which is directly responsible to the voters (something that Greencastle is sorely lacking).

    My end point is that the enrollment numbers in the county clearly DO NOT support 4 separate school districts as the most efficient use of taxpayer dollars. It would be nice if this community could have an honest discussion about this so that we could have ACTUAL numbers of savings and how that would impact the education of our children. The only way this is ever going to get done is if it's forced from the top down and unfortunately at that point it will probably be too late to avoid some major pain.

    -- Posted by hometownboy on Wed, Nov 3, 2021, at 2:32 PM
  • The points raised above are all valid points that should be thought about, talked about, and debated in an honest and robust way. Or we could make a big deal of critical race theory, which is a complete boogeyman when it comes to what K-12 actually teaches. Stop being hoodwinked and start thinking. Neither political side in the current educational pontifications by politicians has your best interest in mind.

    Let that sink in.

    -- Posted by Koios on Wed, Nov 3, 2021, at 9:16 PM
  • Why do teachers need a union if the GCSC is giving more than they bargained for?

    Save your dues rather than let ISTA squander MORE tens of millions on those high risk hedge funds. (probably illegal)

    Government schools waste money on things that have nominally to do with learning.

    BIG ED has a system just the way they want it.

    Plenty of money to go around.

    -- Posted by direstraits on Wed, Nov 3, 2021, at 9:30 PM
  • Hmmm, someone had a rough night

    -- Posted by beg on Wed, Nov 3, 2021, at 9:50 PM
  • -- Posted by direstraits on Wed, Nov 3, 2021, at 11:06 PM
  • Koios

    Refusal to talk about concerns is what gets us into this situation in the first place. That’s great IF it’s true but we need to verify that it is and make sure that there are controls in place to make sure that CRC isn’t added later. This requires constant vigilance on the part of parents and the community and transparency in the part of the school staff. It’s NEVER a bad thing when parents take a more active role in their child’s education.

    -- Posted by hometownboy on Thu, Nov 4, 2021, at 7:06 AM
  • Direstraits - you clearly need more information regarding the “union”. We (the union) didn’t go into negotiations and GCSC says “here you go. We think everyone should get a hefty raise. Merry Christmas!” Negotiations involve give and take to arrive at a reasonable compromise that both parties agree to. You have no idea what other items were on the table to begin with. It is easy to throw “the union” under the bus, but I would suggest that you do further research to see exactly what “the union” does. ISTA and NEA have many publications that show where dues are allocated. In addition, there are many protections in place that would not be guaranteed should there not be “a union”. Every district is in need of substitutes. Why don’t you come try it out for a few days and then reevaluate your thoughts. Just an idea.

    -- Posted by Kristien97 on Thu, Nov 4, 2021, at 9:14 AM
  • "Refusal to talk about concerns is what gets us into this situation in the first place."

    There is no situation, CRC is a total smoke screen. Too bad people are gullible enough to fall for it.

    -- Posted by Koios on Thu, Nov 4, 2021, at 9:53 AM
  • KOIOS is right-parents are idiots. Too bad they are allowed to investigate issues, formulate opinions, to protest, to vote, and make decisions concerning the lives of their children.

    Why can't everyone just stop thinking for themselves, be good little socialists/conformists, and trust the government to run/control their lives and that of their children. It would certainly make it easier for the power hungry socialists/liberals/communists/democrats in our government.

    -- Posted by Prince of Stardust Hills on Thu, Nov 4, 2021, at 10:14 AM
  • "Why can't everyone just stop thinking for themselves"

    People who believe that CRT is a problem that need to be solved in schools are certainly following your advice there.

    Then again, it IS probably the same folks who tried to claim BLM and Antifa were responsible for the events on January 6th.

    -- Posted by Koios on Thu, Nov 4, 2021, at 11:25 AM
  • Kristien97

    Just responding to the report that the GCSC board gave more than the union asked for in salaries. Point being, the state seems to be awash in education money. ISTA and NEA is benefiting from that. So are you.

    My second post, if you didn't click on it, links to a report about the corrupt and inept ISTA management of disability insurance that Indiana school districts paid into. Most of that money was gone when the time came to payout the claims. Gone to the hedge fund managers pockets, no doubt. So now, the Nation Education Association (NEA) now owns your (ISTA) building across from the Statehouse. Add to that the taxpayers probable bailout of the said mismanagement. Sound familiar?

    What water do you now have to carry for NEA?

    So enlighten us what was on the negotiating table?

    Any discussion on language in the contract about what you mentioned here about substitute teachers?

    Why is there high demand for substitutes?

    How much is that issue costing GCSC?

    Who is picking up that cost? (I know that one, taxpayer any way you slice it) which one state or local?

    What are the rules for a contract teachers "excused absence"?

    Many taxpayers want to know about where this money begins and ends?

    I know that one, too.

    -- Posted by direstraits on Thu, Nov 4, 2021, at 12:34 PM
  • seems like yesterday must have been rough also

    -- Posted by beg on Thu, Nov 4, 2021, at 1:37 PM
  • Direstraits - I invited you to substitute teach so you could be on the frontline of public education. We could certainly use your wealth of knowledge to help make public education the most robust for our future generations. I look forward to seeing you in the halls to be part of the solution to a problem that you are so passionate about.

    -- Posted by Kristien97 on Thu, Nov 4, 2021, at 2:33 PM
  • Dire,

    Note the idea of conversation is not something desired. That being said, this probably isn't a good format to have such a lengthy discussion.

    The real issues will never be approached in conversation. We know why they will be avoided. It is sad but it is fact.

    -- Posted by beg on Thu, Nov 4, 2021, at 3:06 PM
  • Non-answer noted.

    I have all the experience of knowing the low expectations of subbing. From the students view and parents perspective, too. The fact is that it is a counted day of instruction of the required 180 days to satisfy the state. Which is the point, right?

    The district is satisfied a day of instruction was provided.

    The state is satisfied a day of instruction was provided.

    The teacher is paid for a day of instruction.

    The taxpayer paid for a day of instruction from a teacher and a substitute.

    My questions aren't off base.

    Why is this the predominate issue at hand according to a teacher in the system.

    -- Posted by direstraits on Thu, Nov 4, 2021, at 4:45 PM
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    Teachers unions (and all public sector unions) are an abomination. The nature of unions is to protect the incompetent and create disincentive to excel.

    The internet has made the teacher's job practically irrelevant except as a racket. From start to finish, the education system is primarily designed to continue the education system. More money for lower quality product. If it were a private corporation it would've died years ago.

    Unconstitional Federal and State Educational laws and mandates have usurped the authority of the parents in making decisions concerning the education of their children.

    Local government is always best.

    -- Posted by dreadpirateroberts on Thu, Nov 4, 2021, at 6:24 PM
  • “The internet has made the teacher's job practically irrelevant except as a racket.”

    I would appreciate it if you would expound on this statement. It’s a curious one.

    -- Posted by Koios on Thu, Nov 4, 2021, at 8:08 PM
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    Koios - With the internet you practically have the worlds knowledge at your fingertips. If Lincoln could educate himself by candlelight and reading books enough to reach the presidency, how much more could be accomplished today?

    And student scores/rankings (USA vs globally) are a blaring example that we do not educate children.

    We spend a fortune on "education" but we don't get value for our money. And when asked why, the answer is always "we need more money". It is never about re-thinking the system or demolishing the system, its primary purpose is keeping the system going and growing.

    And that doesn't even touch upon WHAT is being taught...

    -- Posted by dreadpirateroberts on Thu, Nov 4, 2021, at 10:17 PM
  • DPR-Amen. Well said!

    -- Posted by Prince of Stardust Hills on Thu, Nov 4, 2021, at 10:26 PM
  • “ With the internet you practically have the worlds knowledge at your fingertips. If Lincoln could educate himself by candlelight and reading books enough to reach the presidency, how much more could be accomplished today?”

    The tide pod challenge? Or the milk crate challenge? Just to name a few.

    You are delusional if you think everyone is like Abe Lincoln.

    -- Posted by Koios on Fri, Nov 5, 2021, at 6:44 AM
  • KOIOS-DPR didn't come anywhere close to inferring that everyone is like Abe Lincoln. He was only discussing the increasing opportunity for those willing to learn that the internet provides. And he is 100 percent correct, except to a socialist who equates educational success with money spent, not how it is spent.

    And if you are not willing to excel or possess the initiative, you could probably stay within the current educational system and, like the stats indicate, compared to competitive countries, enjoy an ever-failing educational system while calling everyone else delusional or gullible.

    -- Posted by Prince of Stardust Hills on Fri, Nov 5, 2021, at 7:34 AM
  • The biggest variable in the classroom is the individual. 20 people get the same lesson from the same instructor and do the same assignments.

    Some excel, some don't. So, if it is all about the system, then we must "systemize" the environment and correct the variable.

    A great solution would be take points away from the high scoring students and give them to the under performing students so all can pass. The high performing student would still have enough points to pass and now the under performing does also!

    The school can set up a system where before the student receives his/ her/ ... grade, the points be deducted.

    When the grade is provided to the student, they receive a stub that shows how many points were deducted and where they went.

    -- Posted by beg on Fri, Nov 5, 2021, at 9:45 AM
  • The silence is very loud!

    -- Posted by beg on Sat, Nov 6, 2021, at 12:39 AM
  • Quite a bit to tackle here, so I will call upon the combined knowledge of John Fallis, Mark Wildman, and Jamie Steffy. Head across the body, don’t forget to wrap him up.

    While the conversation began with considerations on how to save money while also increasing teacher pay, it quickly turned into a negative, frankly paranoid conversation on our education system. By no means do I believe that the system is perfect, but locally, I do not see how many of your more critical arguments hold much water. To the bullet points!

    -I have not heard of any of the local schools adopting CRT into their curriculum.

    -I am unaware of any school board refusing to listen to stakeholders' questions or concerns.

    -I don’t recall the unions stepping in to save the jobs of individuals from all four county schools that disgraced themselves as well as their school (Vester and Rogers of NP).

    -I also recall one educator that was found not guilty of their accused crimes, but still lost his job (Livingston of CL)

    -The South Putnam baseball coach had to get the NAACP involved because the union did not take up his case.

    -What specific local cases can you point to where the union protected incompetent teachers?

    -Administrators can put any teacher on an improvement plan and if improvement is not shown, they can fire said teacher.

    Next topic...

    While I agree that everyone has access to a limitless amount of information now, and that a motivated individual, with adequate intelligence, could educate themself on a multitude of subjects. I still believe in the old adage, “it takes a village”. A teacher facilitates growth and exposure to content that the student has not even considered, all while challenging them to think critically.

    Socialism and communism seem to be brought up every time public education gets a headline. I had the best government teacher in high school, Maureen Wager, who suggested I look into an author by the name of Solzhenitsyn when I showed interest. Shane Grimes (economics), I would imagine would display market models for you to get a better understanding of how and why we have this teacher shortage and possible solutions. The brief glimpses into the arts, literature and other cultures afforded by our educators allow the student to dig deeper with the tools that our young ones have in their hands.

    I realize that one could make the argument that not every teacher is as great as the ones that I just mentioned, but I believe they are out there if you just stop and look. It is clear that the bad ones are the exception, not the rule. I will end with a mixed bag.

    No student walks into Chelsey Meluch's or Danny Summerlot's class without being greeted with a smile.

    Name one student that Sandy Phipps or Carl Coons turned their back on.

    I challenge you to find an individual that wasn’t welcomed by Dave Kiley or Charlie Pingleton into their respective programs.

    Convince everyone that Mike Van Rensselaer or Sonny Stoltz aren’t involved, or don’t care about the community.

    These individuals are pillars of their respective communities.

    It appears as if a few of you are willing to burn down the forest just because you found a little poison ivy growing on one or two trees.

    -- Posted by your mom on Sat, Nov 6, 2021, at 12:07 PM
  • So, to summarize:

    1. a lot of negatives could be listed

    2. a lot of positives could be listed

    3. since there are positives, we can ignore the concept of potential improvement.

    4. it takes a village- hope the village has unity and quality

    5. a concept of sharing that is very much in line with SCLP theology and the village concept is required for the "all to succeed" plan to thrive.

    I do note the praise of many individuals. Can't disagree. It does tell me that individuals do make a difference. Hmmmm

    Personally, your mom wrote nothing but facts. They are not arguable, until the last sentence. I don't find a lot of accuracy in that one. My perspective only

    -- Posted by beg on Sat, Nov 6, 2021, at 5:29 PM
  • IDOE release- 20% of 3rd graders not at proper reading efficiency.

    -- Posted by beg on Mon, Nov 8, 2021, at 11:32 AM
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