“WE WON'T LET THIS PULL US DOWN.” Greencastle head coach Doug Greenlee talks through the semistate change; affects on team, community, schedule moving forward

Tuesday, February 14, 2023

As with any advancement in the postseason or after any game, the common refrain from coaches is to enjoy the evening and be ready the next day to prepare for the next game.

Greencastle girls’ basketball head coach Doug Greenlee didn’t get the chance to bask in the afterglow of Saturday’s Southmont Regional championship until Sunday morning.

Not long after the win and the pep rally at McAnally Center, Greenlee was informed by the IHSAA that, having advanced to the semistate level, the Tiger Cubs would not be allowed to play at home pursuant to IHSAA policy.

Instead of waking up to find out if Greencastle would be playing in front of what would be a fervent Tiger Cub fan base, Greenlee was relegated to informing his squad that they shouldn’t expect a home date this coming Saturday.

The policy in question is located in the IHSAA’s Administrative Procedures, Policies and Guidelines document, section F-22, IHSAA Policy for Alternative Neutral Sites for Semi-State Contests in IHSAA Basketball Tournament Series, which reads:

The host location of all Tournament Series contests in basketball are determined prior to the beginning of each basketball Tournament Series. In the event a Semi-state team’s assigned location is hosted by the Semi-state team’s School, the location of that Semi-state contest will be reassigned and moved to a neutral site.

The policy was put into place following the 2013-14 school year where Bedford North Lawrence, hosting a semistate for a second-straight year, was accused of racial taunts and racist behavior by Lawrence North according to an article in the Indianapolis Star from July 13, 2014.

Only one school had been affected by the change since its implementation, which was Richmond the following year in boys’ basketball.

The Red Devils were scheduled to host the semistate but were instead sent to Seymour to face Evansville Reitz. The Richmond semistate was instead played at Southport. Southport was also chosen to host a South Semi-State in place of Greencastle.

Greenlee was frustrated by the events that unfolded, less so the rules than the timing of everything that took place.

“My biggest complaint is: Why weren’t we notified about this until 9 p.m. Saturday night?” Greenlee said. “When we were given the opportunity to host a semistate, I said yes right away; I never asked any questions about that scenario and (the IHSAA) didn’t say anything about that scenario.

“I feel like, after we won the sectional, maybe I should have asked about, should we win the regional, would we get to host? But they never reached out. If they had told us on Monday or Tuesday after the sectional that you cannot host, your team cannot play on your home court, fine.”

The info instead came from IHSAA Asisstant Comissioner Janie Ulmer, who first congratulated Greenlee for the regional win before informing him that the team could not play on its home floor in the semistate.

Greenlee added that Ulmer asked if the school wanted to hosted the semistate, which Greenlee declined.

“If we’re not going to play at home, we weren’t going to host the semistate,” Greenlee said. “We already did that the week before with the regional, bent over backwards to get that staffed and my people had to stay back while our team performed and played for the regional championship.

“I don’t feel it’s fair to ask them to do that two weeks in-a-row. The semistate is a lot bigger deal; being asked if we still wanted to host a semistate, to me, was a slap in the face as they already knew the answer to the question.”

Ulmer said she would relay to IHSAA Comissioner Paul Neidig that Greencastle would not host the semistate. Greenlee also called Neidig, expressing his disappointment about the timing of the call.

“This was at the 11th hour,” Greenlee said. “The IHSAA is scrambling, wanting to have their TV show and pairings go smooth.

“In my opinion, they already had Southport lined up. Don’t know if they did, don’t know if they didn’t.”

Perhaps the most frustrating part of all was just a few hours prior, Greenlee was regailing a crowd at McAnally Center at a pep session following the regional win, asking the crowd to make sure everyone came out to support the Tiger Cubs at home.

“I want our community to know that this is a huge disappointment because we’ve talked about this all year,” Greenlee added. “I am sorry that this wasn’t found out sooner.

“It was hard to not get excited, hosting a semistate and winning the regional.”

Greenlee informed Greencastle principal Chad Rodgers that night of the call and the decision to not host the semistate, a decision Rodgers supported. The players were informed the next morning through a groupchat about the decision, wanting to make sure the girls were not surprised by the change, adding that parents should also be informed.

“I started getting a lot of emails and texts from friends about winning the regional and how much fun it will be to play in the semistate at home,” Greenlee noted. “I had to tell 50 people the same story and that spread pretty fast.”

The decision was announced formally at the the start of the IHSAA Girls’ Basketball Semi-State Pairing Show. The 2A South Semi-State was announced as taking place at Shelbyville with the Tiger Cubs drawing No. 1 Forest Park in the opening game at 10 a.m.

Beyond the immediate impact at the school, Greenlee said multiple areas of the community were affected by the decision as well.

“Our local business, fast food, restaurants, gas stations, all those vendors will potentially take a hit; even Wally’s, who run our concession stands, will miss out and that affects our athletic budget as we get a portion of those sales,” Greenlee said. “A lot of people come to these semistates.

“A lot of people won’t be able to travel to get to see us for a variety of reasons. It’s going to affect a lot of people who want to see it.

“It will also affect Putnam County,” Greenlee added. “A lot of people like to come to events at higher levels and support from the county schools that might have come out now won’t.

“This affects the community. This is the first time we would have hosted a girls’ basketball semistate ever. To be playing in it is unique.”

The decision also alters all the original plans Greencastle had begun to make to prepare for the games this weekend with Greenlee noting the start time, distance and decisions about what to do between games are up in the air.

“We will have to travel to Shelbyville to practice and we’re still waiting to hear on that,” Greenlee pointed out. “We’re going to have to get up really early as we play at 10 a.m.; I don’t want to stay in a hotel on Friday night because that’s hard on the kids and gets them out of their routine.

“Getting up 6:30-7 a.m. is also out of routine. Once we win, we’re going to have to stay in hotel rooms in the afternoon to rest up, which is also out of routine and the list goes on and on.

“We won’t let this pull us down,” Greenlee added. “We have to start (Monday) with the prep, much like we did in the Northview Tournament when we faced Parke Heritage.

“We started talking about that days before we played as it’s a big shock to play at that time.”

Greenlee again apologized to the community for the sudden change and said how this affected potential postseason hosting in the future was unknown at this time.

“It has been very confusing for everyone to host a class you’re not participating in,” Greenlee said. “I’ve had people ask me about Indian Creek winning and if we play them next, having to tell them no, even though they played in our gym, because it was a 3A regional, not a 2A regional.

“Moving forward, I would prefer to only host in the classes that we’re in. This lack of communication and common courtesy, not telling us this earlier that this was a possibility.

“We had been telling everyone at the pep session to bring their friends and let’s Pack the Mac; well, no, we’re not playing here,” Greenlee added. “We didn’t know that at the time; we should have been told that way before the 11th hour and that lack of communication will affect things in the future. I don’t know to what extent.

“We are supposed to host a boys’ basketball sectional; we will flip with Southmont between boys’ and girls’ sectionals next year. As far as regional and semistate, those are done year-by-year and those decisions will year-by-year but this will probably affect March 11, 2023.”

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  • I am confused if there was a policy in place, how is this a surprise and a 11th hr decision.

    Enjoy the ride. As someone who did it, the staying in the hotel between rounds are some of the best memories and stories I have.

    -- Posted by GHS89 on Tue, Feb 14, 2023, at 7:57 AM
  • I would focus on the opportunity. The rule was in place. If we were to have to play another team on their court for the semi state, I am sure we would not consider it right.

    All four teams traveling(some much further than others) and all that goes with that is part of the tournament. Control the controlables

    -- Posted by beg on Tue, Feb 14, 2023, at 8:07 AM
  • This shouldn't have come as a surprise. This is an established policy. As the athletic director, you should be well versed in all IHSAA policies.

    -- Posted by AnastasiaBeaverhousen on Tue, Feb 14, 2023, at 12:18 PM
  • I agree with the above comments. At the same time, I think the IHSAA should arrange a neutral site for the girls’ semi-state every year. If it was hosted at DePauw instead, it wouldn’t have become a problem.

    -- Posted by techphcy on Wed, Feb 15, 2023, at 11:06 AM
  • Why is he whining so much about businesses losing money like it wasn't his decision?

    Also, didn't he refuse to host the game just because he was mad?

    Shady.

    -- Posted by Raker on Wed, Feb 15, 2023, at 11:33 AM
  • The article would have been less confusing if somewhere in the third or fourth paragraph, it had stated that the Semi-state will be played in Shelbyville instead of Greencastle. Then the reader would know all the talk of refusing to host the event would apply only to a different set of 4 teams, not including Greencastle. Instead, we learn about Shelbyville way down near the end of the long article.

    -- Posted by Ben Dover on Wed, Feb 15, 2023, at 11:45 AM
  • I think Greenlee is probably embarrased that he should've already known this was a possibility, and is complicating the issue to distract from his mistake.

    -- Posted by Raker on Wed, Feb 15, 2023, at 12:37 PM
  • In case others are not aware, the locations for semi state were chosen before the season started. Greencastle has never hosted a semi-state before and there is a long application process to even add your school as a host site option. Greenlee’s work and application was able to show that GHS is more than capable of hosting an event such as semi-state.

    The “not playing on your home court” rule that is set in place is a “hidden rule” and has not had be used since around 2013. It would be an unrealistic expectation for Coach Greenlee to know all of this. IHSAA could not even provide the written rule to him and Greenlee sought assistance elsewhere to find it.

    I don’t think it’s embarrassment on his part, it’s a genuine apology to the girls and community. What I hear him saying is, IHSAA knew prior to regionals the kind of season GHS girls have been having, and since this situation has not occurred in 10 years and only a total of 2 times, it would have been appreciated for IHSAA to make the awareness of the situation sooner than the night after Regionals.

    You may disagree, but he is one person who runs all of our sporting teams which all have different IHSAA rules, he and his AD team have consistently hosted the smoothest events, and he has stepped up to coach our girls the past two years while he continues to search for the best person to take over. What I read is a coach/AD with passion and a fight for his team. Greencastle needs more of this.

    -- Posted by alison.dobbs2 on Wed, Feb 15, 2023, at 1:30 PM
  • That is a great point - to all you police officers, tax accounts, lawyers, doctors, etc... there are too many laws and regulations, and you know how they're always changing year to year. It's too hard to keep track of everything, but we know you're trying really hard. So if something adverse happens because you didn't know the rules, it's totally not your fault. Feel free to whine and complain to everyone, and then blame the people who reminded you of the rules.

    -- Posted by Raker on Thu, Feb 16, 2023, at 9:07 AM
  • As someone who has experienced the dysfunction that is is the IHSAA first-hand, I thank Allison for her comments.

    Ignore the trolls on here, Allison.

    They get on here and flex all the time behind their fake names because they’re obviously not getting sufficient life fulfillment from their Fortnite dance routines.

    -- Posted by Donovan Wheeler on Thu, Feb 16, 2023, at 6:37 PM
  • A bs comment from Donovan Wheeler... first off, I seriously doubt your claim about having a bad experience with IHSAA, mainly because you're obviously just trying to be dismissive of my comments. In my opinion, there's really no reason for Greenlee to be carrying on like that, I think it's unprofessional and a bad example of how to handle the situation, though I guess you could spin that into just being "passionate". Whether he should have known, or whether it was an obscure rule that nobody knows about or maybe something in between, it's probably still an embarrassment to be the athletic director and then at the last minute explain to everyone that there's a rule where you can't play at a home if you win, and you didn't know about it. None of us are perfect but I guess it would have been too much to just say something like "well, we understand there's a rule and we support it, yeah it's unfortunate, but you know there'll be other chances down the road, perhaps we can get them to let us host again." "well, it's definitely disappointing and a surprise, but we will focus on being prepared to play our best in Shelbyville" you know, instead of trying to get the whole community to hate the IHSAA.

    He don't have to worry though, because it'll probably be the last time Greencastle will be asked to host after this. Maybe there's a fair reason why things happened like they did. Maybe Greenlee has had past dust-ups with the IHSAA and it was personal. Maybe it was just a bad call by IHSAA, who knows? But frankly, an AD or coach that would whine like this to a reporter is not a personality that I'm particularly fond of, that's why I commented in the first place, that's my personal opinion, and I don't believe that I'm being unsupportive of the team just because I criticized Greenlee's comments. My question is, who isn't supporting them? But I do wish them luck, and I'm sure they'll be fine. Shelbyville's only a little more than an hour drive. I think the other team has a couple hours drive.

    And how about not disparaging this generation of kids like their opinions don't matter just because they play fortnite, or whatever that joke was? Lame. I mean c'mon, bro! Don't make me "troll" you!

    -- Posted by Raker on Thu, Feb 16, 2023, at 9:54 PM
  • Perhaps if you consider that the IHSAA's main goal is the safety and positive experience of the players, and not necessarily whether or not the coaching staff is inconvenienced, then waiting until right after the regional win makes sense. If the team knew that if they won the regional, the semistate would be moved from Greencastle, how would that affect them? Apparently Greenlee thinks it would have no effect. But knowing in the back of their mind there would be a negative consequence if they win, would that affect any of the players' performance, or even the coaching staff? I mean, we just witnessed Greenlee throwing a public tantrum about how businesses are losing money and how hard his staff had been working. He is clearly oblivious to this concept, but I say good on the IHSAA if that was their intention.

    -- Posted by Raker on Fri, Feb 17, 2023, at 8:43 AM
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