SPHS teacher criticized for content of protest sign

Thursday, July 9, 2020

At the end of the South Putnam School Board’s regular meeting Wednesday, the polarization surrounding the nationwide protests against police brutality became palpable with one community member’s criticisms against a teacher.

Amy Clark, a parent with students at South Putnam, made a statement prior to the meeting’s adjournment about protest actions concerning Spanish teacher Brandon Kinnaird. Mainly, she was concerned about the content of a sign that Kinnaird allegedly created.

“This is the first time in 20 years that I am truly concerned, disappointed and saddened by what is beginning to bleed into our school system,” Clark began, saying she wanted to pose questions to the room about respect toward police.

Saying she had “absolutely no ill feelings” toward him, Clark alleged that Kinnaird attended a protest and held up a sign that said, “N.W.A. said it right in 1988. #FTP #BLM #DefundThePolice.” The sign, Clark said, referenced a 1988 song by hip-hop group N.W.A. called “F*** Tha Police.”

Clark read out part of the lyrics she described as “disturbing:” “But I’ma smoke ‘em now and not next time/Smoke any motherf***** that sweats me/ Or any a****** that threatens me/I’m a sniper with a hell of a scope/Takin’ out a cop or two, they can’t cope with me/ The mother******* villain that’s mad/With potential to get bad as f***/So I’ma turn it around/Put in my clip, yo, and this is the sound/Yeah, somethin’ like that/But it all depends on the size of the gat/Takin’ out a police would make my day/But a n**** like Ren don’t give a f*** to say/F*** the police/F*** the police/F*** the police/F*** the Police.”

“I want it to be noted that I strongly believe in our Constitution and the First Amendment,” she said after reading the lyrics. “But as we all know that we are free to say what we want, can we all agree that saying what we want is not always respectful, appropriate and very harmful?”

Clark compared the perceived disrespect in the lyrics to a student who might protest outside school property with a sign saying “F*** My Teachers” or “Defund The School.” She asked whether these actions would be considered a threat, and furthered the point to all police officers not being “bad” because of the actions of one.

“Can we all agree that there are bad teachers?” Clark asked. “Are there teachers that make terrible, immoral decisions when it comes to their students? Does that mean that all teachers are bad as well?

“I’m confident in saying that teachers have been disrespected and targeted over many years, yet it’s OK to for them to do the same to police officers?” she provided. “Does a wrong fix a wrong? Should the Golden Rule not apply?”

Clark said Kinnaird’s sign was “no more” than a threat to the school community. She believed it promoted hate and bullying, when the school system should do the opposite.

She acknowledged that Kinnaird may have been on his own time. However, she felt that teachers in general should be held to a higher standard.

“There are many employers that require that their employees are mindful of what they do outside of work and what they post on social media,” Clark said. “Do they only have to abide by those rules when they are disrespectful to groups chosen by society?

“If we changed this entire scenario to (Kinnaird) targeting homosexuals or Black people, would this teacher be reprimanded without question?”

Clark brought her argument back to a point that police would still respond to a student bringing a gun to school, even though he or she may be acting on the “same hatred” she believed Kinnaird was promoting.

“Will our community police officers protect Mr. Kinnaird, even though they know he hates them because of their uniform?” she asked. “The answer to that is ‘Yes, they will.’ They will protect and serve him, and all teachers, just like they’ve always done.

“Did Mr. Kinnaird consider the feelings of his students whose parents are police officers?” Clark added. “If your child was being taught every day by a teacher who believes it’s OK to say “F your mother or father,” would you want your child to even be in that teacher’s presence? Do we not expect our teachers to be good role models for our students?”

Clark stated emphatically that children of police officers and their families are being targeted. Yet, they would still protect Kinnaird and “all the people that hate them.”

“Who is the good role model,” Clark posed in conclusion, “the teacher holding a sign with threatening profanity and promoting violence? Or the police officer who risks his life every day to protect our community that he loves and even the people who hate him?”

Following Clark’s statement, Superintendent Bruce Bernhardt said the corporation had been in contact with attorneys for the Indiana School Board Association. As such, he stated that the issue was under investigation and no further details could be shared.

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  • Thank you Amy Clark.

    -- Posted by agatha on Thu, Jul 9, 2020, at 1:00 PM
  • Thank you Amy Clark for bringing this to the board’s attention and ours.

    -- Posted by techphcy on Thu, Jul 9, 2020, at 1:41 PM
  • I’m glad this person has enough free time to ‘protest’ he literally has not worked since March where he got to mail it in for e learning got paid for extra days he did not have to work. What a absolutely ridiculous message to defund the police. You have to be literally insane to think that is a good idea.

    -- Posted by taylortwp on Thu, Jul 9, 2020, at 2:07 PM
  • Thank You Amy for standing up for what's right. I have a gut feeling the school board will be too afraid to pursue disciplinary action against this teacher simply because of fear of backlash from the groups who are causing so much turmoil and harm towards anyone who has a different opinion than them.

    -- Posted by momof2ingreencastle on Thu, Jul 9, 2020, at 2:08 PM
  • You rock, Amy! You have represented the minds of so many, in this terrible scenario.

    -- Posted by Hmmmmm on Thu, Jul 9, 2020, at 2:31 PM
  • Well said Amy!!!!!!

    -- Posted by hometowngirl626 on Thu, Jul 9, 2020, at 3:06 PM
  • So, teachers have no rights to what they do in their spare time? Back to the days when teachers couldn't drink, swear, dance, gamble, or have political opinions (at least if they disagree with you).

    -- Posted by unbiased on Thu, Jul 9, 2020, at 3:16 PM
  • Numerous Supreme Court cases have upheld a teacher’s right to freedom of speech in general. But in this circumstance the teacher was NOT in the classroom, NOT on duty, NOT on school grounds, NOR involved with school at all. He was using his own personal time on summer break to advocate his personal views on a national political issue. This is well within his rights and firing him for this would most certainly result in a court case the school would lose. Also, I don’t feel it was inside the realm of good journalistic practice to publish this without giving the opportunity for the teacher or his attorney to respond to this. All we got was the perspective of one angry parent. I am sure there are numerous parents and students who love this teacher.

    -- Posted by wwii4044 on Thu, Jul 9, 2020, at 7:11 PM
  • wwii: if it said things otherwise, he’d be ridiculed and harassed until forced out or the school forced to oust him in this entitled time. You know I’m correct and there is no argument about it. Statues that have no relevance in this so called “movement” have been torn down. All they do is stand there and represent. Write when you’re serious and have a backbone to stand up for yourself.

    -- Posted by Hmmmmm on Thu, Jul 9, 2020, at 7:17 PM
  • Hmm...a teacher called out for a lack of character?

    Why the nerve of some taxpayers!

    Wait till the woke gatekeeper union boss hears about this!

    -- Posted by direstraits on Thu, Jul 9, 2020, at 7:52 PM
  • Mrs Clark wanted a conversation started about the issue. The teacher dislikes the police...family members of police officers attend South. It’s a fair conversation to get started.

    Not all police officers are bad, not all teachers are good. Not all police officers are good and not all teachers are bad. Amy asks would it be different if the teachers sign was aimed towards a race or the LGBTQ community?

    Let’s begin that conversation....GO

    -- Posted by kbmom on Thu, Jul 9, 2020, at 10:41 PM
  • This teacher can always go get a job at IPS they are always looking for teachers, for some reason they struggle to find them while the suburbs attract them. One might even say racism might be a reason for this.

    -- Posted by taylortwp on Fri, Jul 10, 2020, at 8:39 AM
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    Freedom of speech entitles you to protection from the government as a citizen... it does not protect you from the consequences of your actions in regards to your employment.

    It has happened many times.

    Would firing him straight away ring too much like the "cancel culture" that we should all be opposed to b/c it stifles dialogue? Probably.

    But there's nothing wrong with admonishment for such poor choice of words, and a warning that if these sentiments are brought into the classroom more severe actions could result.

    Instead of simply playing the same ol' cards like race & sexuality with their usual context, let's widen it a bit more...

    What if he were promoting prostitution or the acceptance of pedophilia (which is being pushed more than you would like to think)?

    Or what if he was advocating against something the community found to be wholesome and good?

    Religious schools were just re-affirmed in their rights to decide staff in regards to their religious principles... why should the community public school be any different in regards to community values?

    With this, and all the COVID-19 disruptions, perhaps it is time to have a broader conversation about what we want/expect from our public schools and whether or not the current system (including administrations and teachers unions) are really working for us.

    (I have no dog in this hunt in regards to SPSC...I am merely opining from the broader perspective.)

    -- Posted by dreadpirateroberts on Fri, Jul 10, 2020, at 9:04 AM
  • I mean, if you really want to have that conversation, I guess a starting point would be that Mr. Kinnaird wasn’t protesting the existence of minorities or the LGBTQ population. He was protesting the (very real) violence done by police officers to people of color that has continued throughout our country’s history. Let’s not lose the meaning of the message through the mode of the messaging. We are all obviously able to have our opinions about his beliefs and how they were expressed, but we are also all allowed to have beliefs and express them as we choose. If this jades your opinion of this teacher, I get it, but I hope we can stay level-headed about this. Ms. Clark seemed to be very reasonable before the board, according to the story, and I appreciate that.

    But if you want to go down that hypothetical road, I’d say that a major difference between a protest against the existence of police brutality and a protest against the existence of a race or the LGBTQ population is that law enforcement is an occupation and a person’s race, gender, or sexual identity (please forgive me for being clumsy here, as a straight white man I’m very much out of my depth) are innate qualities of who they are. A person chooses to become a law enforcement officer (or in the terms of what’s being protested here, a law enforcement officer who does violence to people of color); a person doesn’t choose their race. A law enforcement officer could theoretically decide not to be a law enforcement officer anymore. A black man or a gay person can’t choose to stop being who they are.

    That’s my long way of saying yes, I think it would be different if Mr. Kinnaird’s sign targeted one of those minority groups. I also don’t think many people in those minority groups would appreciate their long history of struggle and oppression being compared to what is going on surrounding police brutality right now. Those two things aren’t in the same ballpark. I don’t even think they’re the same sport.

    And just to be clear, I really value law enforcement and what they do. It is not a job I would want even for one day. They put themselves in harm’s way for us, and I’m grateful to them. This isn’t an easy conversation to have, which is probably why our country has continued to put it off for so long. I hope that we can continue to have it peacefully and with open minds and open hearts. I’m worried for the good men and women in uniform who are being dragged down by the worst members in their ranks, and I hope they can find a way to purge themselves of those individuals. I’m worried for Mr. Kinnaird, and I hope he is allowed to voice his opinion on his own time just like the rest of us and still work in our community. I know him personally and professionally and I value the work he does for our students. Mostly though I’m worried for our black and brown brothers and sisters who continue to be harmed in our society because they’re not valued the way I as a white person am.

    As always, these are just my personal opinions. I appreciate having the freedom to share them.

    Heath Pruitt

    -- Posted by Pruitts on Fri, Jul 10, 2020, at 9:13 AM
  • very thoughtful comment, Heath. Thanks for posting.

    -- Posted by ilovejosie on Fri, Jul 10, 2020, at 9:33 AM
  • Does anyone have the REAL numbers of what % of what race is actually brought to life's end by Law Enforcement and what % was justified.

    What I found say caucasian is twice as high as black.


    Say her name BLM #secoriyaturner

    RESEARCH #digitalsoldiers


    -- Posted by Blueberry63 on Fri, Jul 10, 2020, at 10:11 AM
  • Thank you Amy for standing up for higher morale in our schools.

    -- Posted by pjr1974 on Fri, Jul 10, 2020, at 10:35 AM
  • Blueberry63 - If the police are killing twice as many white people without justification maybe you ought to be out there protesting.

    -- Posted by unbiased on Fri, Jul 10, 2020, at 11:02 AM
  • @unbiased

    I did not say twice as many whites without justification. Those are your words and interpretation.

    I will protest on Nov 3.

    Maybe you really "ought" clean your mirrors and tell yourself what you need to be doing, #yourwordshavenoimpactonme

    -- Posted by Blueberry63 on Fri, Jul 10, 2020, at 11:32 AM
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    I think several of you are completely missing the point...

    Mr. Kinniard stated “N.W.A. said it right in 1988."

    This goes beyond simply supporting BLM or even trying to have a discussion on policing.

    It is a simple statement that says he agrees with the words/thoughts/ideas of NWA's song that encourages/glorifies actual violence toward the police.

    To play devil's advocate, perhaps he meant that he was agreeing with the title of the songs general feeling towards the police and not the actual lyrics.

    Leave all the background noise out of it and ask yourself these two questions:

    Do you think he was advocating for actual violence, or was making a general statement of disdain for the police?

    Do you think someone that holds either of these values belongs in your community teaching your children?

    I leave it to South Putnam parents to decide.

    -- Posted by dreadpirateroberts on Fri, Jul 10, 2020, at 11:32 AM
  • It was just a sign at a protest that is happening nationwide. I'd personally be more concerned about someone like dreadpirateroberts teaching our children, or a teacher attending a trump rally holding a "build the wall" sign, than a teacher who likes gangster rap.

    -- Posted by Raker on Fri, Jul 10, 2020, at 12:24 PM
  • Amy Clark probably thought Heavy Metal music was the devils music and caused kids to kill themselves too. Personally, I feel she was grandstanding, perhaps she has another motive for her pearl clutching? N.W.A.'s song is a result of police brutality, not the cause of. Just because you agree or like the title of a song doesn't mean you agree with every lyric. He was voicing his opinion, he wasn't in the classroom and believe it or not teachers have opinions too.

    -- Posted by BJCP96 on Fri, Jul 10, 2020, at 12:25 PM
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    Raker - LOL. Yes, most of us are aware of your anti-American values and views.

    The teacher is free to listen to what he wishes...but that is not the point.

    The point is he said NWA was right in regards to their song about disdain for the police and violence towards them.

    If he said NWA was right about women, would you still be supporting him and just chalk it up to protest shenanigans and a love for gangster rap?

    -- Posted by dreadpirateroberts on Fri, Jul 10, 2020, at 12:49 PM
  • Dreadpirateroberts there you go again with false equivalencies, that's just it. His sign referenced "f___ the police", nothing else about the music. He didn't say anything about women or whatever else your imagination wants to come up with.

    -- Posted by Raker on Fri, Jul 10, 2020, at 1:00 PM
  • Teachers still teach students who hate them because it’s the job they signed up for. Paramedics still treat patients who are attacking them. ITS THE JOB THEY SIGNED UP FOR. Cops sign up to serve and protect, its the job they CHOSE. Like you tell the service industry workers “if you don’t like it get a better job”

    -- Posted by Unbothered350 on Fri, Jul 10, 2020, at 1:15 PM
  • He wasn’t doing this during school time. Freedom of speech. Just because he did this doesn’t mean he’s a bad teacher. He is allowed to do what he wants on his personal time. It was nothing illegal.

    -- Posted by your mom on Fri, Jul 10, 2020, at 1:21 PM
  • I’m a South Putnam parent. I’m also a person who has a very real problem with police violence against citizens. I have believed for a long time that this has to be stopped. Our own cases locally (several of them, both white and black) bear this out. I’m thankful that we elected a sheriff who, along with the US Attorney, addresses the issue.

    All that said, I don’t want this teacher teaching my kids. He knew exactly what his sign said. He knew what it meant. Whether he displayed it as a virtue signal to gain favor with others (likely) or because he actually intends to commit violence against police, doesn’t matter to me. He made a massive mistake here, displayed terrible judgment, and I don’t want to risk him exercising that same judgment while in control of my child. Period.

    Can’t fire him due to ACLU lawsuits? Fine. Let him teach an empty classroom until he does something that is fireable.

    -- Posted by techphcy on Fri, Jul 10, 2020, at 1:21 PM
  • Techphcy, I think the debate about whether violent entertainment actually inspires violence and crime was studied a long time ago, and the consensus is that it doesn't. People are more sophisticated than that. Firing somebody for this is too extreme and might bring national attention to it, in my opinion.

    -- Posted by Raker on Fri, Jul 10, 2020, at 2:11 PM
  • Raker....so violent entertainment does not inspire violence and crime? How Bout slender man

    -- Posted by Keepyaguessin on Fri, Jul 10, 2020, at 4:02 PM
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    Your mom - as stated before...

    Freedom of speech protects you from government abridging the right to speak freely in most instances.

    It does NOT allow you to say whatever you want (otherwise there would be no such thing as slander/libel or incitement laws)...

    Nor does it protect you from the CONSEQUENCES of your speech, as recently found out by the young lady who threatened to stab people that disagreed with her only to find out that her future internship was cancelled due to that speech.

    -- Posted by dreadpirateroberts on Fri, Jul 10, 2020, at 4:32 PM
  • Keepyaguessin, people have been trying to blame rap music and violent video games, movies, etc., for causing crime for a long time, especially in the 90's when it was pretty much debunked. If you are somebody trying to do that, then there will always be some anecdotal incidents to point to, that usually involve schizophrenics or other mentally ill people.

    But back to the protest sign, I'm pretty sure every n.w.a. song talks about shooting somebody... It's just the title of the song people say when angry at the cops, for decades now...

    -- Posted by Raker on Fri, Jul 10, 2020, at 4:51 PM
  • Dreadpiratesroberts, I can't believe that you can't tell the difference between someone holding a sign that says "ftp" on it and someone saying "I'm going to stab you".

    -- Posted by Raker on Fri, Jul 10, 2020, at 5:05 PM
  • Dreadpiratesroberts keeps referencing that the first amendment protects us from the government abridging our free speech while seeming (correct me if I'm mistaken) to forget that SPCSC is the government.

    Reciting the lyrics of an over 30 year old song with no understanding of the cultural and historic significance it has gained since then, as well as the inverted parody purpose of the songwriters with Dr Dre of NWA holding court over the police for their brutality, is ignorant at best. If your views of this song and the issue it addresses haven't been informed by and evolved from 30 years of Rodney Kings and George Floyds then it's pretty hard to take your outrage seriously and see Amy Clark and her supporters efforts as anything more than political grandstanding.

    In no way was Mr. Kinnaird's reference an actual threat of violence. I mean, seriously, Ice Cube has played cops in the movies.

    -- Posted by boilermaker93 on Fri, Jul 10, 2020, at 9:06 PM
  • *

    It seems the comments have turned more about the protest / BLM / police funding which is a good thing as these conversations need to happen, but seriously.....what does she want to happen to this teacher? Should he be fired for possessing a political viewpoint other than hers? Is he not allowed to posses an opinion on his free time? Are all teachers that teach her precious children required to have her exact political / social / moral stances? This is grandstanding and using a school platform to promote her viewpoint while at the same time asking for him to be punished for using a NON school platform to promote his viewpoint.

    I've always thought well of Amy but at this point I'm embarrassed for her.....

    -- Posted by RSOTS on Fri, Jul 10, 2020, at 9:51 PM
  • Boilermaker93 and RSOTS, those are great comments, better than what I was saying. The mom reading rap lyrics in a school board meeting sounds like such a Karen thing to do. It's weird to be having this debate in 2020. N.W.A. were trying to raise awareness in that song about the same issues being protested now (I read some of the wikipedia). It also said they are considered one of the greatest hip-hop groups of all time, and are in the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame. The music is artistic expression, it's entertainment, It's meant to be shocking to get your attention.

    I was still in elementary school when that album came out, so I didn't know it very well. But I love Rage Against The Machine's self-titled album that came out when I was in middle school, which is what F___ Tha Police makes me think of. That whole album is still great. The track Township Rebellion is such a protest anthem. I freaking love it.

    -- Posted by Raker on Fri, Jul 10, 2020, at 11:52 PM
  • Oh, I get it, it’s nuanced and simpletons just cannot get the deeper meaning behind it. These artists are clearly operating at a higher moral and intellectual level then dumb midwesterners. This type of music is not about violence, don’t literally believe the words. It’s nuanced.

    This guy picked a terrible means to convey an important message about the very real issue of police interactions with people

    of color. He is an idiot and I hope he is never in a position of leadership in his community because his line of thinking will lead to a much lower quality of life for all involved, most definitely people of color.

    -- Posted by taylortwp on Sat, Jul 11, 2020, at 6:47 AM
  • Let's see if I've got this straight.

    Explicit lyrics about violence against cops and women are not on the "list of triggers" that the oh so sensitive woke people insist must not be spoken of....

    or the burning and looting must begin.

    'bout right?

    -- Posted by direstraits on Sat, Jul 11, 2020, at 7:53 AM
  • *

    Avenger, the devil didn't actually go down to Georgia, all of George's exes don't live in Texas and Johnny's mom didn't actually get run over by a damned old train.

    Hope this helps clear things up.

    -- Posted by RSOTS on Sat, Jul 11, 2020, at 8:03 AM
  • ...yes, and I think it's safe to say that Johnny Cash was only pretending to be an outlaw when he sang that he had "shot a man in Reno just to watch him die". I support this teacher's right to protest against systemic racism in our society and to exercise his right to free speech. I have great respect for many of our teachers, but I do, however, have a problem with the public behavior of several Putnam County school employees who I saw at Kroger recently who were not wearing masks. That kind of irresponsible behavior and and the role-modeling of science-denial is truly offensive and a dangerous precedent for our students who might see those folks out and about. Troubling, indeed.

    -- Posted by LocalPaper on Sat, Jul 11, 2020, at 9:24 AM
  • This is what democracy looks like, people expressing their opinions and allowing those who disagree to express theirs. Teachers, what a wonderful opportunity this incident provides to respectfully help students explore the rights and responsibilities of democracy. Thanks to Mr. Pruitt, Mr. Kinnaird, and scores of the other county teachers, many young people will learn this history of our democracy and other democracies, how democracies work, and how to be good citizens.

    -- Posted by lucy_bird on Sat, Jul 11, 2020, at 10:40 AM
  • To my knowledge South does not have a school resource officer, so this teacher can fee safe since there are no evil cops in the building. He should, however, keep his little nwa sign handy so he can run at the active shooter showing that he is ‘woke’ and perhaps play John Lennon’s “Imagine” showing the active shooter we can all truly live in peace and harmony together

    -- Posted by taylortwp on Sat, Jul 11, 2020, at 12:37 PM
  • It was David Allen Coe's mother that got ran over by "a damned old train" not Hank Williams Jr.'s mother.

    -- Posted by Javabeans on Sat, Jul 11, 2020, at 9:02 PM
  • I believe Indiana is an "employment at will" state. Anyone can be fired or have his/her contract not renewed for any reason short of discrimination. In fact, no reason has to be given. Just MY opinion, but I would not have this person teach my kids, having shown such hatred and disdain for those who "serve and protect".

    -- Posted by FactswithoutBS on Sat, Jul 11, 2020, at 9:07 PM
  • Randy Brook’s grandma.

    -- Posted by Hazel on Sun, Jul 12, 2020, at 7:43 AM
  • I have seen many people fired by my employer for expressing their views and values on social media that are not in line with my employer’s. He can and should be fired unless the employer has the same values and opinion.

    -- Posted by Hazel on Sun, Jul 12, 2020, at 7:52 AM
  • Hazel, I know of a certain local high school sports reporter who actually made several insulting and ridiculing remarks about some kids in an article he wrote. And I doubt it was the first time, just the first time I saw it. He's also a pretty lousy photographer alot of the time, too. But he still has his job, so I think this teacher will be ok.

    -- Posted by Raker on Sun, Jul 12, 2020, at 12:28 PM
  • I'm talking about Joey Bennett btw

    -- Posted by Raker on Sun, Jul 12, 2020, at 12:31 PM
  • @Facts mostly true, but teachers have a union and an employment contract.

    -- Posted by techphcy on Sun, Jul 12, 2020, at 10:38 PM
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    As I have said numerous times - I have no dog in this hunt.

    My personal opinion is that he should be reprimanded, but not fired. It was a stupid thing to do and he should've thought his message through a bit more, but I have no problem with the guy having an opinion contrary to me.

    Nor do I like the cancel culture, on either side.

    But my opinion and $2 will buy you a cup of coffee.

    Boilermaker - I don't know that the school corporation is actually "government" within the meaning of the 1st Amendment, nor do I believe that the 1st Amendment protects speech in regards to employment, even with the government. Definitely something worth looking into.

    Raker - please, for all of our sakes, take some reading comprehension classes and learn context. The whole point about the chick threatening to stab people wasn't to compare their words but to show an example of how inflammatory language has consequences in the real world with regards to employers, who get to decide their level of tolerance for inflammatory speech by current (or even potential) employees.

    -- Posted by dreadpirateroberts on Mon, Jul 13, 2020, at 12:19 PM
  • DPR - a school corporation is part of the state government and therefore courts have held the 1st amendment applies to them through the 14th amendment: "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

    -- Posted by boilermaker93 on Mon, Jul 13, 2020, at 12:51 PM
  • Boilermaker93, your wasting your time debating dreadpirateroberts. He's super dishonest and a troublestarter for his own amusement, period. He just a shameless troll that should be ignored no matter how twisted his comments are.

    -- Posted by Raker on Mon, Jul 13, 2020, at 1:18 PM
  • *you're. . . *He's.. for the grammar police... lol I'm banging out a quick response on my phone, not writing a book people...

    -- Posted by Raker on Mon, Jul 13, 2020, at 5:37 PM
  • Dreadpirateroberts:

    Like I said before, you can't tell the difference between a woman threatening to stab someone (an actual direct threat of assault) and #ftp on a sign, or else you wouldn't bring it up.

    If a public school fired or suspended a teacher for putting #ftp on a sign at a protest about police, there would probably be a lawsuit, and a panel discussion on CNN talking about it the next day.

    If a public school fired a teacher for threatening to stab someone, that's a different story. Get it? Or maybe you need to take a reading comprehension class?

    -- Posted by Raker on Mon, Jul 13, 2020, at 7:05 PM
  • OMG....This guy must have some mental issues. I would not allow him to teach my child in school. He is supposed to be setting an example for his students. He should be fired immediately. Thank you, Amy Clark.

    -- Posted by Queen53 on Mon, Jul 13, 2020, at 7:21 PM
  • Queen53 stop being such a villain, you troll!!!

    -- Posted by Raker on Mon, Jul 13, 2020, at 7:37 PM
  • I wonder if all of you who are so eager to fire a teacher for holding a sign which offended you , apply the same standard to our president. He has engaged in hateful, incendiary speech for 4 years. That’s ok with you?

    -- Posted by ilovejosie on Tue, Jul 14, 2020, at 8:01 AM
  • ilovejosie - I can answer your question: Yes, it's ok with them. As long as he represents their bias and fear, he can do and say anything about anybody anytime.

    -- Posted by unbiased on Tue, Jul 14, 2020, at 4:13 PM
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    Unbiased / Ilovejosie, You are both 100% correct. It's only "appalling" and "hateful" if it goes against their viewpoints.

    These are the same people that scream in outrage about the "cancel culture" but were more than happy to burn Nike products when they endorsed Colin Kapernick.

    The irony and hypocrisy is outstanding but yet invisible to them.

    -- Posted by RSOTS on Tue, Jul 14, 2020, at 4:41 PM
  • RSOTS, I agree with what your saying, it's a constant deceit with that crowd. There's doesn't seem to be an actual "moral center". It's more of a disposition, than a philosophy.

    Have you heard of George Lakoff? His book "Whose Freedom?" He describes the Republican/conservative worldview as a "strict father" authoritarian, wanting to maintain a more "social class system" of society, where they see themselves towards the top of the pyramid. On the flip side, the Democratic/liberal viewpoint is described having a "nurturing parent" egalitarian worldview, using science and reason to better society for all communities. Sort of the yin/yang. Or that's what I remember, but he goes alot more in-depth.

    Just to add some context about my last comment, for those who don't already know, Queen53 is a frequent comment troll in the Banner. I think she's competing with dreadpirateroberts to see who can make the most loathsome comment......

    -- Posted by Raker on Wed, Jul 15, 2020, at 12:55 AM
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