South Putnam School Board approves Kinnaird’s resignation

Thursday, July 30, 2020
Some who attended the South Putnam School Board’s special meeting Wednesday held signs in support of former South Putnam teacher Brandon Kinnaird and a right to free speech.
Banner Graphic/BRAND SELVIA

After the backlash that followed a South Putnam parent’s criticism of a protest sign he created, Spanish teacher Brandon Kinnaird will not be returning to South Putnam High School.

With a large group that was in attendance, the South Putnam School Board approved Kinnaird’s voluntary resignation during a special meeting held Wednesday evening.

Criticisms of a protest sign Kinnaird created were made by Amy Clark during the board’s July regular meeting. The sign read “N.W.A. said it right in 1988,” a reference to hip-hop group N.W.A.’s 1988 song “F*** Tha Police.”

Clark believed that his sign was “no more” than a threat to the school community, and promoted hate and bullying toward police and their children who may be students.

Persons familiar with the situation said Kinnaird felt pressured to resign after the school received a “deluge” of complaints regarding his recent involvement in local protests.

Nearly 20 people attended Wednesday’s meeting to express their support and concerns about how the controversy was handled by South Putnam administration and the school board.

The first to speak was South Putnam graduate Moriah Coward, who described the circumstances of Kinnaird’s resignation to be “unjust” and “disheartening.”

“It is with great sadness that I’m here today addressing these matters for the person who I know to be kind, caring and generous, but has been made out to be violent, dangerous and evil,” Coward said.

She criticized Clark’s comments as being “projected” onto Kinnaird based on fear and “slippery-slope logic,” with no consideration as to his character or knowing about the kind of person he was.

“One reference to a song has been misconstrued and manipulated into a series of false ideas and attitudes in which violence was read into, when no such violence was advocated,” Coward said. “This is a problem that goes farther than one teacher, one school system and one county.

“There’s been a great amount of unnecessary fear resulting from this situation,” she said further. “Fear is obviously not a mindset not to be encouraged. But how can this change be made when change itself is discouraged?”

Summer Burris, another South Putnam graduate, concurred with Coward on Kinnaird’s character. However, she also criticized administration in allegedly never notifying him that his actions were under investigation.

After Clark’s comments were made during the July 8 meeting, Superintendent Bruce Bernhardt stated that the corporation had been in contact with attorneys for the Indiana School Board Association.

“Though South Putnam was not legally required to inform him, one would think that he would’ve been given the chance to explain himself and his intentions,” Burris said. “As an employee and a team member, Kinnaird was left in the dark by his South Putnam family, whom he selflessly dedicated himself to, which then made him feel like he was no longer welcome or appreciated.”

Burris also touched on key theme of the complaints — whether South Putnam administration has now set a precedent for teachers and students if they have opposing viewpoints. She classified Clark’s comments as bullying and being politically motivated.

“I think this sends a really powerful message to the teachers here,” graduate Savannah McIntosh said. “So many of them are scared, because they’re afraid to say something that a parent’s going to disagree with, and then be ousted from their job.”

McIntosh acknowledged that Kinnaird resigned voluntarily and was not fired. However, she said this was because the school board and administration did not back him up. In essence, Kinnaird had no choice to resign because of the “narrative” she alleged Clark established.

In letters read by McIntosh, anonymous individuals alleged that the school board was already aware of Clark’s viewpoint and allowed her speak anyway. It was also advocated that Kinnaird was only acting as a private citizen and protesting on his own time away from school property.

“I don’t think it’s fair to throw the baby out with the bathwater on this one,” a parent of one of the commenters said. “You can’t look at one thing that a person does in their own free time, voicing their own opinion outside of school grounds, on public ground.

“It’d be different if he was in-house, in this school, and he was saying such things and creating an environment or maybe a thought in his students to be disrespectful, hateful or disruptive toward authority,” she added. “(Kinnaird) has not done that ... And so for one person to create such a ruckus that could cause this man to lose his job, be forced to resign, that one person shouldn’t speak on behalf of me.”

The last person to speak was Mitchell Crum, a current student at South Putnam. He was also the only person to speak in support of Clark’s comments, adding that his stepfather is a police officer who would protect “every human he possibly can.”

“I believe what Amy Clark said was right; she has every right to speak,” Crum said. “My thought is if a student does anything in the same manner — derogatory of any sort — they are possibly suspended immediately. It should be the same with a teacher who does something derogatory.”

Crum provided that this was like an athlete playing for the school. He believed Kinnaird had to be held to the same standard as a representative of South Putnam, even though he might not be “the school.”

“I think it forces, in a sense, a political belief towards students,” Crum concluded. “In school, we’re not allowed to talk about Jesus because it is pushing a belief that many people may or may not believe in. I believe we should not be able to push our political beliefs in school as well.”

Before the meeting was adjourned, board member Craig Newby thanked the audience for coming to the meeting and speaking up.

As of Thursday evening, Kinnaird had not responded to an email from the Banner Graphic for comment about his resignation.

View 63 comments
Note: The nature of the Internet makes it impractical for our staff to review every comment. Please note that those who post comments on this website may do so using a screen name, which may or may not reflect a website user's actual name. Readers should be careful not to assign comments to real people who may have names similar to screen names. Refrain from obscenity in your comments, and to keep discussions civil, don't say anything in a way your grandmother would be ashamed to read.
  • Once again, the thought police win.

    -- Posted by unbiased on Thu, Jul 30, 2020, at 12:02 PM
  • *

    Unbiased, he resigned.

    He could've fought it.

    He could've had his say to the school board.

    He could've had his say to the Banner Graphic to tell the community his side.

    Its not like he is a wallflower...standing out in a public place protesting the police and what-not is what got him to this point.

    But perhaps he felt a little bit of shame and decided that resigning was the right thing to do.

    I am sure that he will be back teaching somewhere...its not like there is an over-supply of teachers.

    And I am sure that he will be back protesting about what he feels to be injustices.

    However, next time he will likely think through the possible ramifications of what he puts on his sign and realize that when you throw bombs (figuratively) sometimes you blow yourself up.

    -- Posted by dreadpirateroberts on Thu, Jul 30, 2020, at 12:38 PM
  • *

    I hope Karen, um I mean Amy is happy. This is disgusting on the part of South Putnam School Corporation to allow the pressure of an angry parent to influence their direction.

    Of course lets scream free speech and down with cancel culture as we silence someones free speech and literally cancel them.

    -- Posted by RSOTS on Thu, Jul 30, 2020, at 12:42 PM
  • I don't see how this is South Putnam's fault when Brandon was the one who used his free speech to express hatred towards a group of people (Police), as a representative of a public school. I can't go somewhere and express my opinion of hatred towards anything or anyone publicly and not expect my PRIVATE place of employment to reprimand me in some fashion. People need to be held accountable for their actions. And no one is mad that this young man attended a protest or this one for that matter, it was the way he presented himself when he attended that upset people.

    And let's talk about why he resigned... It wasn't South Putnam that made him or asked him to. It was his own choice. Clearly he felt some form of guilt to decide to quit rather than fighting for his spot there. He could have let them complete their investigation to see where it was going. They only opened the investigation because the number of concerned parents that were hounding them, too. If it weren't for the parents, they probably never would have taken any action at all. You all who are supporting him are unbelievable. Grow up and learn to take responsibility every once in a while. Brandon is young, he will learn a lesson from all of this, and he will find employment again, his life isn't over.

    -- Posted by momof2ingreencastle on Thu, Jul 30, 2020, at 12:58 PM
  • There are just some careers/jobs that people are held at a higher standard....teacher is one of them- even though he was “on his own time”. Amy was absolutely correct in her bringing this to the attention of the board.

    -- Posted by Phelpsfamilyfarm on Thu, Jul 30, 2020, at 2:06 PM
  • I would bet the same people who are so mad about this teacher protesting are happy to see baby Jesus in the nativity sitting on the courthouse lawn, which I'm sure will be there again this year.....

    -- Posted by Raker on Thu, Jul 30, 2020, at 3:00 PM
  • *

    Raker - your ability to make 2+2=Fish is amazing...

    I don't think anyone is mad, especially about the teacher protesting.

    They have concerns about the message he was conveying b/c he is a teacher.

    If I remember correctly, even the lady that brought it up in the school board meeting said she didn't think he should be fired, only that the situation needed addressed (likely as a matter of appropriateness).

    And I am not real sure what any of this has to do with a creche on the courthouse square.

    Are you trying to make some "free speech" point? Do you really want to say that there is some equivalency between marking the birth of Jesus and a teacher holding a sign talking about killing cops?

    -- Posted by dreadpirateroberts on Thu, Jul 30, 2020, at 3:35 PM
  • No dreadpirateroberts, they're mad or else they would have just rolled their eyes and went on with their day, like I do with everything you write.

    -- Posted by Raker on Thu, Jul 30, 2020, at 3:55 PM

    -- Posted by tripro on Thu, Jul 30, 2020, at 5:54 PM
  • Words have meaning.

    Speech advocating violence isn’t the same as the act but, it certainly puts that idea as the main focus.

    If the message of the sign wasn’t meant to advocate violence, why say it?

    If it was meant to advocate violence...

    you better have your mask on, genius

    -- Posted by direstraits on Thu, Jul 30, 2020, at 6:06 PM
  • Good riddance.

    Free speech doesn’t mean freedom from the consequences of that speech. I don’t want someone who publicly displays this poor judgment teaching my kids to do the same.

    Of course we want to, we MUST hold our police to a higher standard, and teachers should have a standard of conduct as well.

    -- Posted by techphcy on Thu, Jul 30, 2020, at 6:55 PM
  • *

    Tripo, here is the definition according to Wikipedia.

    Karen is a pejorative term used in the United States and other English-speaking countries for a woman perceived as entitled or demanding beyond the scope of what is appropriate or necessary. A common stereotype is that of a white woman who uses her privilege to demand her own way at the expense of others. Depictions also include demanding to "speak to the manager", anti-vaccination beliefs, being racist, or sporting a particular bob cut hairstyle.

    I think the only part I got wrong was the haircut and who knows about being an anti-vaxer. Therefore I apologize for insinuating that she has a bob cut hairstyle.

    -- Posted by RSOTS on Thu, Jul 30, 2020, at 7:06 PM
  • I would say to anyone who wanted to see this teacher gone over this: If you are a Trump supporter who is going to vote for him, then you are a phony with no integrity, because you have to be living under a rock not to know the long list of violent and hateful things he has said. You want him gone too, tight?

    -- Posted by Raker on Thu, Jul 30, 2020, at 7:54 PM
  • *right

    -- Posted by Raker on Thu, Jul 30, 2020, at 8:39 PM
  • I'm not part of the desperate and confusing culture that wishes harm or violence against anyone in law enforcement. In fact, I'm old enough to have experienced enough of life to have gained an ever-deepening appreciation for those folks trying to keep me safe and my property secure.

    So I often wonder about those who express such ill-will toward law enforcement and in particular Mister Kinnaird's contempt for the police. Was it a certain individual or agency that aroused his ire or did his hatred for the police extend to all law enforcement personnel in general?

    -- Posted by Prince of Stardust Hills on Thu, Jul 30, 2020, at 8:58 PM
  • Prince of Stardust Hills I think a person can like that music and even put that on a sign without necessarily "hating" the police, maybe just a distrust or suspicion. Sorry you're too old to understand lol

    -- Posted by Raker on Thu, Jul 30, 2020, at 10:04 PM
  • Amy does not deserve all of the crap people are giving her! She is the spokesperson of a group of people that feel the same way!! Leave her alone!!

    -- Posted by fillmorechick on Thu, Jul 30, 2020, at 10:16 PM
  • Fillmorechick - Oh wow, theirs a whole group of dimwits? Oh no, we're all going to have to resign from our jobs if we offend one them with.....words. Poor Amy, those words but have really hurt her. Boo hoo!

    -- Posted by BJCP96 on Thu, Jul 30, 2020, at 11:43 PM
  • *I have typos

    -- Posted by BJCP96 on Thu, Jul 30, 2020, at 11:46 PM
  • *

    Fillmorechick, She 100% deserves any and all flak she is receiving. She went and grandstanded at a school meeting because she didn't like the views that a teacher shared on his own time and away from the school. She got what she wanted so stop crying.

    -- Posted by RSOTS on Fri, Jul 31, 2020, at 7:58 AM
  • *

    All - please note the hypocrisy of RSOTS last post in relation to all his other posts.

    Its okay for the teacher to express himself (when that expression could easily be interpreted to advocate violence toward law enforcement) and his own resignation is the fault of a select group of parents and school board. The teacher is a victim of people who want censorship.

    Its not okay for a parent to bring up something that concerned her and other parents in regards to the teachers speech and she must accept the derision heaped upon her by those that disagree with her. She is a bully and must be beaten down.

    This is the leftist mindset in action: Freedom of speech is only for speech that they agree with.

    -- Posted by dreadpirateroberts on Fri, Jul 31, 2020, at 9:09 AM
  • So, let me get this straight...some of you are upset because this man was just invoking his First Amendment right. And yet, you are essentially doing the exact same thing you're made about to Amy. She has a right to state her opinion also.

    Hypocrisy: the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform.

    Also, this man ABSOLUTELY should be held to higher standards as a teacher. He should be a role model and mentor to kids. And I don't care how "innocent" you all think his sign was, it is sending a clear message to our youth. And if that's the standard you want for the people who teach your kids, then I feel sorry for you.

    -- Posted by anymouse on Fri, Jul 31, 2020, at 9:16 AM
  • *

    DPR, That's a solid try at trying to twist what I said but I'm going to have to call out your ignorance on this.

    I never once said it wasn't okay for her to say what she said. I said she got what she wanted so stop crying.

    Now come on DPR and get your act together. Usually your stupidity is at least entertaining. Stop stretching here.

    -- Posted by RSOTS on Fri, Jul 31, 2020, at 9:32 AM
  • Anymouse --"Also, this man ABSOLUTELY should be held to higher standards as a teacher." I agree, AT WORK. He wasn't at work. Apparently, if a teacher has a different opinion or view other then his students parents its a problem. Amy Clark has a right to her opinion, no doubt about it, but we also have a right to scrutinize her pearl clutching for attention.

    -- Posted by BJCP96 on Fri, Jul 31, 2020, at 9:43 AM
  • People lose jobs for “embarrassing” their employers (even on their own time) happens.

    The words to that song are vile and depict hate and death threats toward a group of public servants, so putting it on a sign does raise question. So maybe not a shocker parents are upset.

    -- Posted by kbmom on Fri, Jul 31, 2020, at 9:55 AM
  • BJCP76 - If I were to do what he did, I would probably lose my job. It doesn't matter where you are, at work or not. When you have an employer, you represent them. All of the time. Your behavior directly reflects on them. Student athletes are held to higher standards. They have to "behave" even when not at school. My coach used to tell us if he heard of us acting inappropriate or causing an uproar outside of school, we would be benched. If we are going to require our students to uphold these standards, why not the people teaching them? THE ADULTS!!

    -- Posted by anymouse on Fri, Jul 31, 2020, at 10:03 AM
  • I love how no one had a response to my comment... hmmm.

    -- Posted by momof2ingreencastle on Fri, Jul 31, 2020, at 10:27 AM
  • momof2ingreencastle -- I understand what you are saying, but I respectfully disagree. Yes it was his choice (or not) to resign but I don't feel he should have felt pressure to do so in the first place. It was a sign with song lyrics. He wasn't on school property and he wasn't representing the school. If we are going to hold teachers to some higher standard then maybe we need to pay them a lot more.

    -- Posted by BJCP96 on Fri, Jul 31, 2020, at 10:40 AM
  • *Actually, to clarify, if we are going to hold them to a higher standard OUTSIDE of work, then maybe we need to pay them a lot more.

    -- Posted by BJCP96 on Fri, Jul 31, 2020, at 10:42 AM
  • BJCP76, obviously teachers need paid more. No argument there. Their salaries are a joke. However, you shouldn't have to get paid to show good moral character outside of work. Decent people just do this....for free.

    -- Posted by anymouse on Fri, Jul 31, 2020, at 10:59 AM
  • Raker, your comment is ridiculous. First, if you’re not old, you don’t remember the song. If anything, you’re too young to understand.

    Second, there’s no ambiguity in what the sign or the song says. It absolutely and clearly says what it says. Don’t backpedal for yourself or anyone else; either you hate cops or you don’t, which is it? You don’t get to dynamically choose a side that suits the situation.

    -- Posted by techphcy on Fri, Jul 31, 2020, at 11:15 AM
  • It does Mr. Kinnaird a disservice to paint him as a victim as Ms. Coward, Ms. Burris, Ms. McIntosh et al did. He is a grown man, a professional educator. He understands advocacy (including for himself), as evidenced by knowingly holding the controversial sign at a public protest. It is my understanding that Mr. Kinnaird had previously considered leaving South Putnam within the last 2 years, a detail conveniently left out. It is a given that if he has the right to free speech, then so do the parents who pay his salary. It is also my understanding that several professional educators at South Putnam insert their political and religious views into their classroom, even if indirectly. As a parent, I expect the professional educators to know their bias, know their boundaries, and keep their political and religious opinions to themselves. - Denisa Timberman

    -- Posted by evvietimberman on Fri, Jul 31, 2020, at 11:19 AM
  • Anymouse -- Good moral character? How do you define that, I'd love to know. I wish I knew so much that I could judge who has good moral character and who doesn't. Honestly, that seems a bit extreme to me.

    -- Posted by BJCP96 on Fri, Jul 31, 2020, at 11:21 AM
  • BJCP76 - I shouldn't have to explain how “N.W.A. said it right in 1988. #FTP #BLM #DefundThePolice” doesn't represent good moral character. There are many ways to express how you disagree with something, but FTP? Not appropriate for anyone, especially someone who is teaching our children.

    -- Posted by anymouse on Fri, Jul 31, 2020, at 11:34 AM
  • *

    Anymouse, did you just say Black Lives Matter doesn't represent good moral character? Please tell me you typed that wrong, or I read it wrong.

    -- Posted by RSOTS on Fri, Jul 31, 2020, at 11:38 AM
  • RSOTS, yes you did read it wrong. I copied that from the original article and was referring to the FTP part...

    -- Posted by anymouse on Fri, Jul 31, 2020, at 11:39 AM
  • Pajama Boy Rules:

    “Anything goes!”


    Others who say

    “Not everything goes”

    -- Posted by direstraits on Fri, Jul 31, 2020, at 12:02 PM
  • Techphcy sheesh, Prince of Stardust Hills called himself 'old' and 'confused', not me, maybe too old to understand that listening to dirty rap songs doesn't mean you take literally 100% of every lyric, that's all. This is an old debate about entertainment and its influence. Listening to Marilyn Manson doesn't make you a devil worshipper, Grand Theft Auto and Fortnite doesn't make you a murderous criminal, etc. In that song F___ the Police the lyrics describe many, many different ways the black community gets mistreated by police (read all the lyrics) and the rappers acting tough like they aren't the ones to be messed with. Tupac, Notorious B.I.G., Snoop Dog (187 on a mf'in cop), etc, etc. thru the years they all make that music. Any of them violent to cops? No. Do all the fans hate cops? No. But my point was he is an older generation that doesn't understand that, I suppose you don't either.

    -- Posted by Raker on Fri, Jul 31, 2020, at 1:09 PM
  • Since we're talking about old song lyrics, I've got one! Since 12.8% of police officers are black..."Isn't that ironic? Don't you think?" Maybe the best oxymoron ever!

    -- Posted by anymouse on Fri, Jul 31, 2020, at 3:04 PM
  • *

    Anymouse, I'm afraid the meth fumes might be getting to you. Please crack a window as you're making about as much sense as Uncle Donnie on a Rose Garden bender.

    -- Posted by RSOTS on Fri, Jul 31, 2020, at 3:10 PM
  • Anymouse - That logic makes no sense at all. So because 12.8% (your numbers) of police officers are black, its ironic that a rap group in the 90's would say FTP? Think more, type less.

    -- Posted by BJCP96 on Fri, Jul 31, 2020, at 3:15 PM
  • #BLM #FTP ironic. It's not that hard to understand.

    -- Posted by anymouse on Fri, Jul 31, 2020, at 3:15 PM
  • It's amusing to read through these comments and the "logic" some of you are trying to use to excuse Brandon's behavior. Anymouse, you hit the nail on the head, it's a shame some are too absorbed into their personal agenda to try and understand what you are saying. And BJCP76, you should really try to refrain from name calling and other harsh words you're using against everyone who doesn't agree with you. You aren't changing anyone's minds that way, in fact you're losing credibility and respect.

    -- Posted by momof2ingreencastle on Fri, Jul 31, 2020, at 3:28 PM
  • *

    Anymouse, I'm glad you went down this road as you've opened the door to learn something. It is not ironic at all to say #BLM and #FTP.

    Here is why and this is the point you all miss. #FTP is talking about a system and not an individual. #BLM is about a systemic issue of the police as a whole and how they treat minorities. It's not an individual attack on officer Johnny.

    As soon as people realize the system (Law Enforcement, Training, Judicial System) is broken and that's what the protests are about, and stop turning it into a personal attack then growth and change will come.

    And it's clear you've never looked at the lyrics of the song so I pasted a line below to understand how #BLM and #FTP can exist together without irony.

    "But don't let it be a black and a white one

    'Cause they'll slam ya down to the street top

    Black police showin' out for the white cop"

    -- Posted by RSOTS on Fri, Jul 31, 2020, at 3:31 PM
  • momof2ingreencastle - What name calling??? Where have I called anyone a name??? You're just making stuff up.

    By the way, I'm not trying to change anyone's mind here in the Banner Graphic comment section, that would be pointless. Also, your opinion of me means nothing but thanks for sharing!

    -- Posted by BJCP96 on Fri, Jul 31, 2020, at 3:55 PM
  • I just listened to a minute's worth of the song mentioned in the article. It was revealing, to say the least. I probably dropped out of listening to music not too long after Wichita Lineman hit the charts, so I really can't make a fair comparison as to its contemporary quality. In fact, there were very few words that I could understand.

    However, I heard enough to associate it with the language of a couple of my friends who in the past have hit rock bottom.

    So hang in the Mister Kinnaird. If this type of music and its words mean so much to you that you would willingly abandon your job over the controversy, there is only one direction you can go from here, and that's up. Here's wishing you all the best.

    -- Posted by Prince of Stardust Hills on Fri, Jul 31, 2020, at 4:17 PM
  • Here is a selected lyric from another song in the same vein by the exact same songwriter who wrote FTP:

    I got my twelve gauge sawed off.

    I got my headlights turned off.

    I'm 'bout to bust some shots off.

    I'm 'bout to dust some cops off.

    Classy. Seems like exactly the thing teachers should be parroting.

    -- Posted by techphcy on Fri, Jul 31, 2020, at 7:13 PM
  • You should also mention that the songwriter is Ice-T, the actor that has been a main character on Law and Order SVU for the last 20 years!

    -- Posted by Raker on Fri, Jul 31, 2020, at 8:19 PM
  • Yeah, he’s made plenty off of these little gangsta wannabes that have their pants down to their knees.

    Fight the system and get rich.

    Great role models.

    -- Posted by direstraits on Fri, Jul 31, 2020, at 9:32 PM
  • Direstraits - careful your hood is showing.

    -- Posted by BJCP96 on Fri, Jul 31, 2020, at 10:28 PM
  • *

    Dire, thanks for showing your racist self. You represent the disgusting side of america that will be rooted out. Enjoy your moment because it will go away and you can set on the wrong side of history yearning for the glory days.

    -- Posted by RSOTS on Sat, Aug 1, 2020, at 1:42 AM
  • That's a tired comment

    Can't hear the truth

    Can't hear the facts

    So pound on the table and scream racism

    Portland calling?

    -- Posted by direstraits on Sat, Aug 1, 2020, at 6:53 AM
  • My post is directed to the Banner Graphic. Why do you allow such nonsense of individuals bickering after each story you write? It is the same individuals all the time voicing there opinions on the story that is written. Why not post a solution to the problem at hand instead of posting hatred. It's seems to be a lot of bullying allowed. I am appalled that you continue to allow it to happen. Why shouldn't the ones posting the comments use there real names? Banner Graphic after allowing over 50+ comments on this article and no true resolution, STOP THE HATE!

    -- Posted by Nurse4life!! on Sat, Aug 1, 2020, at 7:27 AM
  • You know you don't have to read the comments right? Maybe take a break from the computer Sherri, go outside and relax a bit.

    -- Posted by BJCP96 on Sat, Aug 1, 2020, at 9:21 AM
  • sherrimiller29 - There are a couple of individuals that take over the comment section and intentionally instigate arguments. It seems to be DPRs only hobby and rarely contributes to the actual discussion.I agree, the BG should either stop it or just give him his own column (but that would mean he'd have to put his own name on it and own his bigoted words). If you think the BG comments are bad, you ought to read the IndyStar or WTHR comments.

    -- Posted by unbiased on Sat, Aug 1, 2020, at 11:42 AM
  • *

    LOL - Thanks for the rent-free space in your head, Unbiased. (Nice moniker, by the way... too bad it isnt representative.)

    Apparently you are very selective in what you read, or care to comment on, b/c if you knew my full posting history you would know that I am 97% on topic and directly engaging the article.

    In fact on this story you were the first post, crying about thought police. (A legitimate comment, even if I disagree.)

    I responded that the guy RESIGNED (voluntarily).

    Its rather funny that you are going to call me out for using a psuedonym while you yourself use one as well.

    As for calling me a bigot - LOL!!!! You really need something else. Bigot, homophobe, xenophobe, transphobe, racist, misogynist... those are getting old and tiresome. NAZI is rather overused (and used incorrectly). Maybe you could try using "constitutionalist" as a pejorative. Or curl your lip in a sneer when you type "conservative". How about something new (or in this case old) and different all together: fopdoodle.

    Or maybe you could open your mind a little (y'know, and not be so bigoted) to accept that I don't think the way you do nor do I believe the things you do.

    I think the BG should give me a column - and I would have no problem putting my name on it... just as soon as my kids are out of the school system. I have seen too many people - even those that should know better - take out their dislike of the parent on the children. My views are mine, and you can say what you like to me and about me... but I will not offer up my children to leftist jackals.

    Sherrimiller - you could've sent an email to the BG to share your concerns instead of posting a comment that does nothing to contribute to the conversation... HA-HA!

    You aren't going to get resolution on here, ever. You are unlikely to get it in an open in-person forum either.

    Those of us that post usually post OUR OPINIONS on the story at hand, or a response to other comments.

    But for most it isn't HATE... it is just strong opinions mixed with some personal animus amongst us b/c...well, that's too long to get into.

    -- Posted by dreadpirateroberts on Sat, Aug 1, 2020, at 1:41 PM
  • "Thanks for the rent-free space in your head." I can't stop laughing! One of the greatest lines ever written! I hope it was original. LOL! Thank you, Mister Pirate!!!

    -- Posted by Prince of Stardust Hills on Sat, Aug 1, 2020, at 6:12 PM
  • Dreadpirateroberts . If what you post on here is the actual truth then you should have no concern about your children being treated any different or anyone taking anything out on them.. In fact they should be proud of their father’s expert knowledge, if in fact it is newsworthy.

    -- Posted by Nit on Sat, Aug 1, 2020, at 7:30 PM
  • I am surprised that no one has said anything about the lady in the back row with the black pants using her finger to make a point .

    -- Posted by Falcon9 on Sat, Aug 1, 2020, at 8:49 PM
  • @Raker: wrong Ice. Check again.

    -- Posted by techphcy on Sun, Aug 2, 2020, at 3:44 AM
  • No, you're wrong Techphcy. Ice-T wrote those song lyrics in your comment.

    -- Posted by Raker on Sun, Aug 2, 2020, at 8:55 AM
  • To all: Beginning in 1990, living in Greencastle, and having 4 children (14 and under) at home, my "better half began her freshman year at I.U. Bloomington. 5 years later she graduated *** Laude? with a double major, and a cumulative GPA of 3.89. After that, a Masters in Environmental Science from Indiana State in Terre Haute, *** Laude, a Masters in Education from I.U. Bloomington, *** Laude, and Administrator's Licensing from Butler University, Indianapolis, graduating May, 2005, again with honors. She worked full time throughout her education, I worked full time at a "blue collar" job, and our kids were very active in extra curricular activities, of which we both participated, attended, etc. Total cost (granted, just travel, tuition, books, supplies, and fees) were paid as we could, no help, no loans, and no regrets. And our children sacrificed NOTHING. Her first job was as a Social Studies teacher earning $28,000/year.The important part was BENEFITS.

    Where am I going with all this? I get tired of the whining over "teacher pay". Not all, but a good percentage of aspiring teachers know the pay scale, requirements, and benefits associated with the profession prior to choosing the education required for that career path. If they choose new cars and an active lifestyle, rather than committing to paying back every spare dime to student loans, then yes, they will have difficulties. Sorry, but sometimes the "single life" has to be put on hold. Before the rebuttals come in, I am aware of the different circumstances that may apply. They also are, or should be, aware of the higher standard they would be held to, both on the job and outside of the job. I believe this is called "moral Turpitude". Free speech does exist, but NOT for those in a position of parental influence over other's children.

    In summary, the pay and benefits are known prior to entering the profession, the "higher standard" of which you will be held is known. Don't get "*****-pants" with the whistle-blower. Oh, and as the spouse of an educator, I, by choice, hold myself to a higher moral standard, quenching my views numerous times so as not to jeopardize my wife's employment. I believe that is called respect, consideration, and maybe even moral turpitude!

    Rant Over!!!

    -- Posted by FactswithoutBS on Sun, Aug 2, 2020, at 2:35 PM
  • A teacher with no more common sense than he has has no business in the school system. He has other issues in the past that have not been brought forward publicly. I hope he learns his lesson because he will have problems keeping a teaching job if he continues poor judgement like this

    -- Posted by Queen53 on Mon, Aug 3, 2020, at 8:37 AM
Respond to this story

Posting a comment requires free registration: