BZA denies first RV parking request

Friday, December 10, 2021

Not exactly Roe v. Wade or Brown v. the Board of Education but the City of Greencastle v. Larry and Betty Teall stands as a landmark local zoning case.

The Tealls, who sought a development standards variance from the Board of Zoning Appeals (BZA) for storage of an RV at their 102 Woodhaven Drive home, were denied Tuesday night on a 3-0 vote with Andrew Ranck, Paul Champion and Jon Clark in favor of the ruling and BZA member Doug Wokoun abstaining.

While it was the first decision under new RV regulations in Greencastle, it certainly won’t be the last, City Planner Scott Zimmerman assured.

Zimmerman reported contacting nearly two dozen residents whose RVs were in violation of the local ordinance with about 12 of those removing the offending RV.

It is allowable under the ordinance to park the RV in front in the driveway for up to four days, essentially to load or unload for a camping trip.

“Some are still playing the game,” Zimmerman said, “leaving it out front for four days and then moving it.”

A handful of other RV owners were able to move their RV to a side yard, while at least two have been warned they remain in violation.

Then there’s the Tealls. They got a letter Oct. 1 and immediately contacted Zimmerman in an attempt to resolve the problem.

The Tealls have owned their Southwood Village home since 1994 and their RV for nine years. They illegally (unbeknownst to them) added to the concrete of their driveway in 2021 to accommodate the RV and encroached into the city right of way along Woodhaven Drive in doing so.

“We’re right at the entrance to the subdivision, across from Country Place Apartments, the only house really facing the road,” Betty Teall said.

She and husband Larry praised Zimmerman and the BZA in turn praised the Tealls for prompt attention to the issue, even though their variance request was voted down. The Tealls were given until May 1 to permanently relocate the RV.

Zimmerman noted in his findings of fact that strict application of the ordinance did not result in a practical difficulty in use of the property since the RV could fit in the side yard on the north side of the yard (although the area is occupied by a trampoline and above-ground pool).

The RV issue arose locally due to the growing number of recreational vehicles popping up in driveways and front yards around Greencastle as alternate vacation options peaked during the COVID-19 pandemic, causing the city to update its RV storage standards.

As adopted by the City Council last July, the new ordinance allows:

-- An RV -- motorized home, motor coach, camping trailer, boat, travel trailer or snowmobile -- to be parked in a front yard driveway for four days as long as it does not extend into the right of way or block a sight triangle.

-- An RV may be stored in the side yard but not extend into the required side-yard setback for the zoning district. If it does, it must be behind an approved privacy fence.

-- Instead of just one RV parked outside, two are allowed, with the provision that only one is allowed in a side yard. Others have to be in the rear or in a garage.

-- The storage or parking of recreational vehicles in side yards must be on an improved surface, defined as gravel, stone, asphalt or cement. If gravel or stone is used, it must be contained within a defined area with a physical border of wood, metal or block. If a driveway is extended to a storage area, the extension must be paved in cement or asphalt.

-- It remains illegal to use an RV for overnight sleeping or living on a residential lot.

In other business, the BZA:

-- Heard Zimmerman report that there was nothing new on the planned Aspire subdivision, the proposed 22-acre project on property between Albin Pond Road and Fawn View Lane including 27 single-family homes and 20 two-family dwellings. The project was withdrawn at the November BZA meeting.

“They did not submit anything new to review,” Zimmerman said, adding that he knows Aspire is trying to explore options of what to do without asking for a variance, special exception or rezoning.

Then, no BZA appearance would be necessary “as along as they meet our lot sizes for single-family homes,” he added.

However, including two-family or multi-family dwellings in the plan would require asking the BZA for a special exception.

-- Agreed to a 2022 calendar that has the BZA meeting the first Tuesday each month at 6 p.m. at City Hall.

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  • If they built the pad 9 years ago, and the city never cited them until now, it seems they would be "grandfathered" in.

    -- Posted by letspulltogether on Fri, Dec 10, 2021, at 7:36 AM
  • It seems like the modifications made in 2021 might be the issue here. Rightly or wrongly.

    -- Posted by Koios on Fri, Dec 10, 2021, at 9:32 AM
  • Seems to me, someone thinks this is going

    To be the next Carmel, small town living is not what it once was.

    More rules than needed, more

    Government than needed.

    Maybe if

    More time was spent on roads, water, sewers, fire protection, you know things that mattered, I would br happier with our government.

    -- Posted by small town fan on Fri, Dec 10, 2021, at 9:58 AM
  • Small town fan, Biden’s infrastructure plan should take care of much of your requests. Or at least help in doing so.

    -- Posted by Koios on Fri, Dec 10, 2021, at 10:17 AM
  • These RV rules have basically been in place and are now being clarified. In 2021 with all the stimulus money a lot of families purchased RVs and started putting them in their driveways or on the street for storage. When you buy in a neighborhood there are regulations that are in place to keep the town (and neighborhoods) as a presentable and desirable place to buy and live. I myself applaud the town council and Mr. Zimmerman for their efforts and I hope they follow through with enforcements and possible fines.

    -- Posted by goingon80 on Fri, Dec 10, 2021, at 12:31 PM
  • Wow somebody needs to give Mr. Zimmerman somethings else to work on if he has so little to do for this to become a newsworthy job duty for him. I suppose the city is actually paying him well for this, tax dollars at work.

    -- Posted by greencastleparent on Fri, Dec 10, 2021, at 1:42 PM
  • Things like this are why I live outside of town limits. County zoning is bad enough; I don’t need yet another board telling me what to do with my property.

    -- Posted by techphcy on Fri, Dec 10, 2021, at 2:23 PM
  • Ahh yes, the interesting cross section of your freedoms versus the freedoms of others, in this case neighbors.

    -- Posted by Koios on Fri, Dec 10, 2021, at 2:36 PM
  • Whatever the LCSL theology supports, then that is what is right.

    -- Posted by beg on Fri, Dec 10, 2021, at 11:28 PM
  • If people own these rvs, and have them on their own property, then people should be allowed to have what ever they want to have on their property. The city shouldn't have any say on it

    -- Posted by Leonard47 on Sat, Dec 11, 2021, at 8:32 AM
  • It is laughable that anyone mentioned the Build Back Better plan on here as a way to help infrastructure. We can't even get goods now to build anything - let alone better. I work in an industry that has seen its daily production cut by 75% due to the supply chain way anything is happening "better" until that's fixed (in a little over 3 years).

    -- Posted by infiremanemt on Sat, Dec 11, 2021, at 8:54 AM
  • I’ve been wondering what all these acronyms Beg keeps using mean. I am unfamiliar with them.

    Leonard, if people should be allowed to have “whatever they want on their own property” does that include, for example, a pile of dead bodies?

    -- Posted by Koios on Sat, Dec 11, 2021, at 8:56 AM
  • Do you remember President Trump touting infrastructure every month, if not every week at times (it’s infrastructure week!)? Me too. He just never got it done. Well now, it’s been passed. And it’s been sorely needed for decades.

    -- Posted by Koios on Sat, Dec 11, 2021, at 9:21 AM
  • Sorry Koios - just because it's passed does not mean it will happen. That's a bit presumptuous at the least. What you have just pointed out is the fact that in the Trump Presidency, those in the majority in Congress would NOT work with him to pass anything infrastructure-wise. It was kind of sad to watch them act like toddlers throwing a fit about everything put in front of them to vote on...blindly using their hatred of someone to put the American people and its infrastructure further behind.

    -- Posted by infiremanemt on Sat, Dec 11, 2021, at 10:40 AM
  • Are you forgetting about the 2 years that the Republican Party controlled both the Senate and House during Trump’s presidency? Why wasn’t infrastructure passed during that time?

    -- Posted by Koios on Sat, Dec 11, 2021, at 11:03 AM
  • *

    LOL - apparently Koios isn't familiar with Obama's "shovel ready jobs" (infrastructure) that shoveled lots and lots of money to everyone connected and to anything but roads.

    But it's the House that controls the purse strings. Administrations submit budgets. All onus goes to the House. (You Mr Baird, Republican darling, Democrat in Republican drag walking the streets of Washington just like they do on Hollywood Blvd.)

    All of that aside... There should be no problem parking an RV on your property. However, parking on the street is a different matter entirely.

    Just be a good neighbor. It's really that easy. Then maybe we could do away with people Mr. Zimmerman (professionally, not personally) and shrink the government a little bit.

    -- Posted by dreadpirateroberts on Sat, Dec 11, 2021, at 12:08 PM
  • Aren't pipelines considered infrastructure, especially in light of the current rise in fuel prices? Everyone argues against them, but most folks in PUTNAM COUNTY, especially those who have no clue, would be surprised what they see if they take a lightplane from the southern part of the county to the north, right down the center of 231 after a very light snowfall. Pipelines are the end of the world?

    Really? Most folks don't even know or understand the extent to which pipelines (infrastructure) cross our county.

    Without pipelines, the only answer is the railroad, and how has that been working out for the climate protectors? The answer is, again, they don't have a clue or even know which of BIDEN's cronies benefit from bringing a halt to the Keystone. Hint, CHINA was ONE of them. So much for BIDEN's crackdown on China. I KNEW he would not abandon the BIDEN family fortune.

    I believe the Democrats, liberals, socialists, communists are often not as smart as they demand we think they are, especially when it comes to infrastructure and the future of infrastructure development.

    Off to MacDonald's!

    -- Posted by Prince of Stardust Hills on Sat, Dec 11, 2021, at 12:48 PM
  • Illegally built modifications is the key here. The owner obviously used a cheap, unlicensed contractor to do the work, since they did it without a building permit (which would have been denied for at least 3-4 glaring violations). Also, anyone who thinks Sleepy Joe's "infrastructure" bill has to do with anything other than socialist spending is asleep themselves.

    -- Posted by ValHalla84 on Sat, Dec 11, 2021, at 1:12 PM
  • Socialist spending, lol. The same infrastructure that President Trump kept promising. So he’s a socialist now too?

    -- Posted by Koios on Sat, Dec 11, 2021, at 2:21 PM
  • If the city is going to enforce this ,WHEN will they start tagging ALL the junk and abandon vehicles??!!

    -- Posted by Rainbow6 on Sat, Dec 11, 2021, at 4:22 PM
  • KOIOS, perhaps. I don't know exactly how you would term it; supply-side socialist? SSS? Whatever benefits industry or a nation benefits the people? Cripes, I don't know, but it makes sense that infrastructure with a purpose and one that actually solves an existing problem might be better than building bridges to nowhere, rhetorically speaking, of course.

    Again, what do I know. I'm only a prince, not a king.

    However, BIDEN seems to understand the principle because he appears okay with the Russians building pipelines to Germany, especially environmentally risky ones. Indeed, he signed off on the Nord Stream pipelines, so maybe he is a supply-side socialist, too, which I'm sure angers several of his most liberal supporters. Some folks believe he was paid off. Who knows. Kind of interesting.

    -- Posted by Prince of Stardust Hills on Sat, Dec 11, 2021, at 5:36 PM
  • Not too. He was and is.

    -- Posted by beg on Sat, Dec 11, 2021, at 8:31 PM
  • @Prince of Stardust Hills Part of Biden's Build Back Better plan was to install 500,000 electric vehicle charging stations all over the country, and incentives to car buyers so that the average person can finally get that 100% electric vehicle. Eventually, there won't be a need for new oil pipelines. The demand and price for gas will plummet, helping to fight global warming.

    I'm sure he also understands the current economic needs for oil and isn't going to oppose everything oil related like a child. You know, how Trump would do? As a democrat, he's got his eye on the future!

    -- Posted by Raker on Sun, Dec 12, 2021, at 12:14 PM
  • I love humor on a Sunday night. Prepares for a great work week

    -- Posted by beg on Sun, Dec 12, 2021, at 10:36 PM
  • RAKER, maybe you are correct and electric cars are the way to go. I'm a conservative, so I'm certainly no expert, but I believe it will be a long time before electric cars are for everyone and we start to need less oil.

    HOWEVER, if BIDEN can hasten the introduction of electric cars with the same efficiency he abandoned Afghanistan, developed Trump's COVID vaccines, controls America's rising inflation, and protects our borders, I just might be in line for an electric car. In fact, I might even invite you to my favorite MacDonald's to buy me a double cheese with large fries and to try and persuade me to give up both my individuality and independence and become a conformist and follower of the collective.

    -- Posted by Prince of Stardust Hills on Mon, Dec 13, 2021, at 12:53 AM
  • President Trump talked a lot about withdrawing from Afghanistan, but apparently couldn’t make it happen. Sounds a lot like an infrastructure bill that never happened either under President Trump’s administration.

    -- Posted by Koios on Mon, Dec 13, 2021, at 6:20 AM
  • Trump was withdrawing from Afghanistan. That was Biden's complaint; Trump's date of withdrawal occurred on his watch. The difference was that Trump wanted a measured withdrawal, not a retreat and collapse. In addition, Trump wanted 2500 troops to remain, according to General Milley, who was advising Biden. It was in the paper and on TV.

    The whole thing was a mess and poorly executed by everyone involved. Amateurs trying to run a country. What a waste.

    -- Posted by Prince of Stardust Hills on Mon, Dec 13, 2021, at 7:59 AM
  • A measured withdrawal to last another 20 years? That's a great idea. We had no business being there in the first place.

    -- Posted by Koios on Mon, Dec 13, 2021, at 9:54 AM
  • Yes, Trump said we needed to get out of Afghanistan and announced a withdraw date, one of the few things everyone agreed on. Then he set the deadline for May 1st of his planned second term, most likely because it was always gonna be an ugly mess to withdraw, and that way it wouldn't cause him re-election problems. Of course, he would then rightfully put all the blame on the taliban.

    Instead, Biden won, yay! Trump then critized him for not getting it done by his May 1st deadline. The taliban were taking over the country, and afghan gov and security were scared, so they fled.

    You apparently would of had us send another wave of troops to fight and die, and try again later? In another 5-10 years? You want to blame Biden for what a violent terrorist group did just because he's not on your team. Read it for yourself at

    -- Posted by Raker on Mon, Dec 13, 2021, at 10:13 AM
  • RAKER, sorry, you are wrong again. I would not have blamed BIDEN for the inevitable, just not being prepared for it. HE WANTED THE JOB, didn't he? And didn't he have SIX months before his retreat? The invasion of IRAQ,AFGHANISTAN, and the insertion into SYRIA was retarded from the beginning. Doesn't anyone learn from history?

    BIDEN didn't inherit this mess; however, he was part and parcel behind the reasons why America invaded Iraq, and the rest is history. Doesn't anyone remember his bullish support on the floor, or are liberals, like the Republicans short minded?

    And don't give me that silly crap about the differences between republicans/democrats, Bush/Clinton; they are all guilty. Bin Laden in Afghanistan, Chemical weapons in Iraq, slant drilling in Kuwait, the Turks in Kurdistan, ISIS in Syria; I can find few folks who can even tell me where these places are, much less speak intelligently concerning the differences in the Middle-east argument between the Dems/Republicans or who is blame.

    All I know is that BIDEN was pro-invasion to the point of being bullish long before TRUMP was in politics, so man up BIDEN and quit crying. And if it makes anyone happy, I've said for years that the Bush family couldn't be trusted.

    -- Posted by Prince of Stardust Hills on Mon, Dec 13, 2021, at 11:37 AM
  • KOIOS & RAKER - you both act like Trump sent the troops there, but we all know that's not the case. In fact, one of your most beloved presidents had 8 years (2008-2015) to withdraw them before Trump ever announced his presidential bid or took office - yet he did nothing either, except begin to divide this country along many different lines. And yes, taking a year to withdraw would have been fine instead of leaving billions & billions of dollars in our best military equipment over there as well as hundreds of Americans and allies stranded because the BIDEN team had NO PLANS. For you to think that is okay to do is simply un-American in my book and you cannot convince me otherwise.

    -- Posted by infiremanemt on Mon, Dec 13, 2021, at 12:08 PM
  • @Prince of Stardust Hills NOBODY had expected the taliban to rush in and take over the country so quickly, or that the government and security forces would immediately quit, causing a mad rush to the airport to escape. Biden gave a primetime speech explaining what happened and why, and took full responsibilty, blaming no one else.

    Unlike Trump, who called himself a genius and never made a mistake, blaming everything on everyone else around him. Such a great leader!

    -- Posted by Raker on Mon, Dec 13, 2021, at 12:11 PM
  • RAKER - what you just said about the withdrawal is rubbish. If BIDEN had surrounded himself with good military advisers instead of ones interested in a self-depracating American

    agenda, he would have had the information which was indicating that this collapse was about to happen unless the withdrawal was slowed down! Even the Afghan people were on social media asking him to stop it - THEY KNEW!! Don't waste your time typing these responses because even the most Dems know that Biden only reads telepropmpters and prepared statements because he has no rational concepts of the issues before him - hence the new sub-30% approval rating. Worst president in my lifetime for sure - maybe ever because we are still in his first year!!

    -- Posted by infiremanemt on Mon, Dec 13, 2021, at 12:32 PM
  • @infiremanemt Presidents are typically just ambitious government workers who also are successful politicians. They usually have little, if any military experience. They are probably presented with a list of possible scenarios and options, and then given recommendations and advice by top military professionals. So now you want to blame Biden for taking bad advice from U.S. military leaders.

    That's why I keep saying it's silly that you keep going after any of these presidents for what some terrorist group did, because no matter how well you prepare a plan That's no guarantee you'll be successful. To say that Obama and Biden we're wrong but Trump is right for waiting 5 years is asinine. If you want to blame a president, Bush jr. was warned about bin laden, what did he do? But guess who finally got'em, yep it was Obama!!

    -- Posted by Raker on Mon, Dec 13, 2021, at 12:42 PM
  • I never said anything about Trump being right in any of my messages - that is a false statement. Biden isn't wrong - he is clueless, big difference. I agree that this was all started by Bush Jr. and trying to get the terrorists who brought the towers down. Kudos to Obama for giving the order to get Bin Laden - it's the one thing he did that helped all Americans.

    -- Posted by infiremanemt on Mon, Dec 13, 2021, at 1:10 PM
  • @infiremanemt Frankly, I think it's really dumb how some people make a big deal about reading a teleprompter. As though reading a speech off a paper is somehow a terrible thing for a president to do. But no, they just use a teleprompter instead so that he's not having to look down and read a paper and can look at the audience and the cameras. Do you think it's such a terrible thing for him not memorizing all the details or not being able to convey a large amount of specific information in a speech ad-libbed in front of a crowd. Or at least not wanting to take the chance getting something wrong or not remembering. One of the dumbest things I ever heard, I've always thought that, when they said the same thing about Obama. However, Biden is about a million times better at q&a than Trump.

    -- Posted by Raker on Mon, Dec 13, 2021, at 1:20 PM
  • RAKER. Good grief! Here's what you just said. "NOBODY had expected the Taliban to rush in and take over the country so quickly, or that the government and security forces would immediately quit, causing a mad rush to the airport to escape."

    You ABSOLUTELY can't be serious. Mister RAKER, EVERYONE but the ignorant and delusional expected EXACTLY THAT to happen. The TAILBAN were not destroyed or removed from AFGHANISTAN, they had simply been suppressed by a heavy thumb. Remove the thumb, and presto, guess who is back, immediately, well-trained, and armed to the teeth. AMERICA experienced that in Vietnam, repeatedly. The fall of Saigon, the sudden appearance of tanks where none were supposed to have been, the DELTA, the Ho Chi Mihn trail. It is an inevitable occurrence after the departure of a superior but defeated force from the beginning of time.

    The only people who believed BIDEN's excuse concerning how quickly the TALIBAN returned were BIDEN, his history-ignorant advisors, and the folks who believed BIDEN's media blitz that it wasn't his fault. Good lord. That was the whole idea behind his chief advisors recommending he keep 2500 troops behind to slow things down, which was very practical.

    Okay, another very poorly informed commenter, KOIOS, questioned if I would have kept the troops in there another 20 years. If he had read my previous post, he would have understand that I believed we shouldn't have been there at all, ever. Why, because history said it was a REALLY DUMB thing to do.

    KOIOS, for your information, AMERICA has forces in 119 base sites in Germany; 119 in Japan; 73 in South Korea; 44 in Italy. Others in Aruba, Bahrain, Cuba, Djibouti, Estonia, Greece, Honduras, Ireland, Jordan, Kenya, Marshall Islands, Norway, Oman, Philippines, Qatar, Romania, Spain, Tunisia, UK, US Virgins, Wake Island among others.

    So yes, in retrospect, after so many HUGE mistakes made in Afghanistan by brainless twits in both the democrat and republican parties, what was the rush. Trillions had already been wasted, hundreds of thousands of lives wasted on both sides, and America's reputation ruined again. What would have been wrong with slowing things down and thinking this one out?

    BIDEN pretty much couldn't stand anything TRUMP said or did, so why the hurry or need to stick to TRUMP's plan/date for the departure from AFGHANISTAN.

    Sounds too much like the ARAB victory over the OTTOMANS in the HAJJ and their collapse at AQUBA, as just one really tiny example, during WWI. In military matters, nature abhors a vacuum.

    -- Posted by Prince of Stardust Hills on Mon, Dec 13, 2021, at 2:07 PM
  • All of this fun commentary started here....LOL:

    "Small town fan, Biden’s infrastructure plan should take care of much of your requests. Or at least help in doing so.

    -- Posted by Koios on Fri, Dec 10, 2021, at 10:17 AM"

    Still the worst comment on here...No way Biden's plan helps anyone but his cronies - historical fact!

    -- Posted by infiremanemt on Mon, Dec 13, 2021, at 2:36 PM
  • @Prince of Stardust Hills I really didn't take you for the type to be so concerned about the Afghan people. The withdrawal was on the assumption that the 300,000 troop Afghan army and government would last AT LEAST until the U.S. was fully withdrawn. The fact that it happened so extremely fast was a surprise to everyone, including the people who found themselves running to the airport for their lives. Why is that Biden's fault? All that Mcdonalds is clouding your brain.

    The US has bases all over the world, but how many are in a never-ending active combat? Just Afghanistan, right? The reasons why Biden was "in such a hurry" as you put were explained in his speech. The majority of Americans wanted us out. 2,500 US casualties. 300 million per day cost to taxpayers. Both Obama and Trump made plans to pull out, then things got worse and they decided to stay longer. Biden ripped the band-aid off. I'm sure he knew the chances it would not end well for Afghanistan, and his opponents would turn it into a "Benghazi" moment for political purposes. But he said so what, I'm doing it. A true act of courage.

    -- Posted by Raker on Mon, Dec 13, 2021, at 2:47 PM
  • *

    Raker - Koios, You're commitment to trying to enlighten is impressive but unfortunately futile. It's hard to reason when every reply is just a regurgitation of the Fox News greatest hits that they play over and over and over. Biden is bad, Trump is great, Sleepy Joe, Teleprompter, Socialist, Communist, etc...but the Democrats are the sheep lol....

    Anyways keep up the good fight:)


    -- Posted by RSOTS on Mon, Dec 13, 2021, at 4:02 PM
  • Good try, RSOTS. At least 40% of the rest of the population still think like you. The rest of us in reality know that this country is WORSE off in the last 11 months than it was the previous 30 years in most aspects. This is nothing to do with your "greatest hits" - just look around and be objective! Gas prices - UP; groceries - UP; eating out - UP; utilities - UP; soft goods - up; new cars - way UP; inflation - 30-yr high; etc... You cannot actually convince me you haven't noticed this... The president, his administration, Congress - they all are directly involved with helping solve this for the American public - but they are not. Tell me how getting the vaccine helps with $4/gallon gas? Maybe you think Biden has the greatest administration in history, but I bet way more than 80 million people will disagree with you in 2022.

    -- Posted by infiremanemt on Mon, Dec 13, 2021, at 4:21 PM
  • To set the record straight, neither Lincoln, FDR, nor Eisenhower had anything to do with our recent entanglement in Afghanistan.

    -- Posted by Koios on Mon, Dec 13, 2021, at 4:24 PM
  • And I mentioned 2022 because it will start in the mid-term election of Congress

    -- Posted by infiremanemt on Mon, Dec 13, 2021, at 4:25 PM
  • RAKER, you EXPECT me to disagree with you. Unfortunately, I see your point, as I really believe you like-wise see mine.

    The differences is that I blame everyone, Republicans included, and you insist there is some saving grace in BIDEN because he is a democrat and has had 45 years of governmental failure and Trump had only 4 years. Whatever. I want to wash my hands of both parties and their cronies.

    RSOTS, stop making me laugh! #freebritneynotcosby

    RAKER said, "I really didn't take you for the type to be so concerned about the Afghan people." RAKER, I'm equally fond of both the SHIITES and the SUNNI, the main participants in the Middle-east arena. I've studied their history for many years. At one time, my bestfriend was in an Iranian anti-tank unit, which scored during the early moments of the Iraq/Iran war. One of the tanks he hit began to burn, and he decided to save them, his enemy. In the process, the Iraqi tanks that were following fired on him, scared and scarred him. How he escaped and made it to becoming my bestfriend was an interesting/humorous story. We used to have a lot of great late-night talks. I'm also drawn to attractive and educated Yemenite women. Long story.

    -- Posted by Prince of Stardust Hills on Mon, Dec 13, 2021, at 4:45 PM
  • "Quaker Oats, its the right thing to do." -Wilford Brimley

    -- Posted by Raker on Mon, Dec 13, 2021, at 5:07 PM
  • You are very likeable, RAKER! Appreciate your humor, always!

    -- Posted by Prince of Stardust Hills on Mon, Dec 13, 2021, at 5:10 PM
  • Quaker Oats....fills you up......only costs a nickel for a know, back in my day, we could buy a pound of squirrel meat for a nickel....we'd usually get our own with the singshot but sometimes those commie devils are quick as lightning! Wait....what was I talking about.....oh, yeah...that's right......Quacker Oats, sticks to your ribs..... sure beats that COLD cereal....

    -- Posted by Raker on Mon, Dec 13, 2021, at 5:24 PM
  • I'm just havin some fun

    -- Posted by Raker on Mon, Dec 13, 2021, at 5:59 PM
  • "All the parts your car will ever need." -Rock Auto

    -- Posted by Raker on Mon, Dec 13, 2021, at 6:00 PM
  • *

    I'm amused at how a conversation about a local zoning matter so quickly pivoted to an opportunity to call Jim Baird a "Republican in Democrat drag."

    Jim Baird voted against the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act because expanding rural internet and fixing Indiana's bridges is apparently socialism.

    Jim Baird voted against the Equality Act because the notion of extending the 1964 Civil Rights Act that grants fair housing/employment practices to include LGBT folks is too "extreme" for him.

    Jim Baird voted against democracy itself when he refused to certify the 2020 election because he was beholden to a base enchanted by false fascist propaganda about stolen votes.

    Jim Baird isn't a Democrat. They wouldn't have him. He's entirely emblematic of the Republican Party's problems, and they need to clean up their own house.

    -- Posted by Bunny1E on Tue, Dec 14, 2021, at 8:46 AM
  • Well, well....a new player entered the arena....interesting.

    If the IIJA actually gets done half of what it says, it will help somewhat...but until the supply chain issues are fixed and the cost of fuels stabilize currently, this bill will end up being a futile attempt at best. Raise your hand if you can afford a new vehicle at today's prices - let alone a new electric one.

    Discrimination of anyone is wrong.

    Make no mistake, vote harvesting occurred - people have testified about it and told the truth. Even the Dems I have as friends have acknowledge that unscrupulous things occurred in many places leading to Biden's win.

    Your last statement is comical...the in-fighting and terrible policies are causing the Dems to turn on one another as well. Both parties need to clean house, but next year I bet it starts on the left...

    -- Posted by infiremanemt on Tue, Dec 14, 2021, at 12:03 PM
  • -- Posted by infiremanemt on Tue, Dec 14, 2021, at 12:46 PM
  • *

    Infiremanemt - Man you really got to turn off the Fox News echo chamber you're repeating from over and over.

    Yes gas prices are high. It's called supply and demand. During the height of Covid very little demand equated to high supply. People start traveling again, demand goes up and prices go up. The practice of wholly blaming or praising gas prices on the President is silly at best. I assume you where ripping on Trump when the gas prices where averaging almost $3.00 in the summer of both 2018 and 2019?

    Yes multiple things are up regarding cost (groceries, eating out, utilities, soft goods, cars, etc..) and they are up due to the supply chain issues that happened with the Covid disruption that started during the previous administration yet you blame Biden's administration for it. Is it his problem to fix now? Absolutely it is. Did it occur because of him or his policies? Absolutely not. If anything, blame the previous administration for taking it so lightly and downplaying it instead of getting control of the situation before it got out of hand. For example "…when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.", "We’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.", "…if you look, the numbers are very minuscule compared to what it was. It’s dying out."

    Stop being spoon fed by the right wing and being brainwashed to think everything is so tribal, so republican versus democrat, so red versus blue. There aren't two republicans in the world that think exactly like on every issue just like there aren't two democrats that think exactly like on every issue so how can you possibly be as brainwashed to believe that there is a good guy, good team, good party and a bad guy, bad team, bad party? How can you believe that there are literally only two sides and you have to be on one or the other? This is one of the biggest things that media has done to cause division in our Country.

    You're correct that there were voting issues. However you have to love the irony that the majority of the cases so far have turned out to be people that voted for Trump / republican just like the three people charged today from The Villages in Florida. Man those self owns are brutal....


    -- Posted by RSOTS on Tue, Dec 14, 2021, at 1:11 PM
  • HAHAHAHAHAHA -- "Even the Dems I have as friends have acknowledge that unscrupulous things occurred in many places leading to Biden's win."

    Its sad and pathetic to keep seeing this garbage but also hilarious. Trump lost. It happens, there are winners and there are losers. Stop pushing BS stories, Biden won by more votes and therefore Trump lost. Its simple. Trump beat Hillary by more votes, so Trump won.

    -- Posted by BJCP96 on Tue, Dec 14, 2021, at 1:18 PM