RDC, Council pass wellness center bond resolution

Thursday, October 20, 2022

A project some 40 years in the making, a bond resolution to fund the proposed wellness center/community center/YMCA has passed both the Greencastle Redevelopment Commission and City Council.

RDC Bond Resolution 2022-3 and City Council Resolution 2022-16 authorize the issuance of bonds by the RDC not to exceed $17.5 million on what is projected as a $28 million project.

A cash contribution from TIF funds by the RDC will make up the difference in the funding. Cost of the community center/YMCA portion of the project is seen as $23,186,000, while $5,165,000 is anticipated as cost of a medical office building for which Putnam County Hospital will have a 20-year lease at an estimated $260,000 per year.

The bond resolution unanimously passed the RDC on a motion from Gwen Morris, second by Lottie Barcus and a third favorable vote from RDC Chairman Erika Gilmore. Members Gary Lemon and Brian Cox were absent.

The City Council passed the resolution on a 6-1 vote with Cody Eckert casting the lone dissenting tally while Mark Hammer, Adam Cohen, Stacie Langdon, Dave Murray, Veronica Pejril and Darrel Thomas voted in favor.

The bonds will have a term ending Feb. 1, 2040 with a maximum interest rate of seven percent per annum.

Several steps still remain in the process, Mayor Bill Dory noted as the community moves toward a YMCA-type facility first discussed in the early 1980s.

A public hearing by the RDC will be conducted at 5:30 p.m. Nov. 1 at City Hall, possibly as a joint meeting with the Council.

After that then it becomes “more behind-the-scene administrative process,” Dory said.

Councilman Murray, who had hoped to hear a guaranteed maximum price on the project by the time the Council voted, reminded that interest will be another $8.4 million on top of the $28 million price tag.

“It needs to be said,” Murray said.

City Clerk-Treasurer Lynda Dunbar agreed. “It’s not just $28 million we’re spending on a building,” she said, “you’ve got to figure in the interest and other costs.

“You’re talking about a $28 million project but you’re adding another almost $8.5 million to that. And there’s not going to be a swimming pool, there’s still people who don’t understand that.”

But there will be three gymnasiums, she was reminded.

“I think it’s a good project and something we need,” Dunbar added before Pejril made the motion to approve the bond resolution with a second from Murray.

After the 6-1 vote, Councilman Cohen said that “using the Vigo County model,” the facility should be a money maker.

Perhaps it’s time, Cohen suggested, for the Putnam County schools and DePauw University to go together and build an indoor pool, similar to what’s occurred at Crawfordsville.

“Let’s get the ‘Y’ built and then discuss that,” Murray replied.

“There’s room out there for a pool,” City Attorney Laurie Hardwick said, alluding to the 73-acre site the city purchased from the Ballard family on the south side of State Road 240, immediately east of the Walmart Superstore.

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  • I know the cost of a pool is far from cheap but to be honest you would get more use of it than the park pool that only runs for a few months. It can help senior citizens, people recovering with surgeries, aerobics, swim lessons, swim teams for youth, parties, and more. I am not aware of the reasons why we need three gyms, I feel two is sufficient for our community but I honestly can say I don’t know the reasons so maybe you do. I just feel DePauw is the only other place for a pool and a membership if you can get one is way to expensive for most families. Just a thought. I do look forward to seeing a YMCA finally coming here though. I know it has taken a lot of work and a lot of years to do this.

    -- Posted by rebeccaarnold87 on Thu, Oct 20, 2022, at 11:03 PM
  • That's really awesome they're at least considering options for an indoor pool in the future. Thank you! If the cost was an obstacle in moving things forward, then it makes sense they decided against it.

    I wonder what the official name is going to be? Greencastle Community Center or Greencastle YMCA sounds good. The Greencastle Wellness Center sounds like a psychiatric hospital. Or that health club where Dr. Kellogg analyzes your stool samples.

    -- Posted by Raker on Fri, Oct 21, 2022, at 10:44 AM
  • My bad, it was a sanitarium not a health club lol. This is the only site I know of that doesn't let you edit a public comment.

    -- Posted by Raker on Sat, Oct 22, 2022, at 8:00 AM
  • What Greencastle needs to do is place the decision of the YMCA on a referendum and see how many taxpayers actually want to spend the money for this project.

    -- Posted by Alfred E. on Sat, Oct 22, 2022, at 9:07 AM
  • Yeah, a referendum is a great idea, until bogus claims of election fraud occur.

    -- Posted by Koios on Sat, Oct 22, 2022, at 11:32 PM
  • Thank you ,Cody Eckert

    -- Posted by Falcon9 on Sun, Oct 23, 2022, at 7:07 AM
  • What's so interesting is that Hendricks Regional Health offered to pay for the pool outright in this project, but Bill Dory turned them down. So now we're left trying to figure out how to fund it. Talk to all the ADs at the schools how the switch to using Putnam County hospital went for athletic trainers, or the lack of athletic trainers went since they had none on staff when they prepared their offer to the schools and the schools went months without any. I get wanting to stay local with projects, but if it doesn't give the community what they need, ie actually help pay for the community center with the items on the checklist, then go with the next group most associated with the community.

    -- Posted by Javabeans on Sun, Oct 23, 2022, at 7:37 PM
  • It has been so long since I was at one of the community gatherings to discuss the Y. Since then, the world has changed and I haven’t kept up with the specifics of what will be offered at the newly proposed Y in our community. While I’m a bit shocked at a $32 million price tag, I would like to ask if the Banner could do an article(s) to detail what we are getting for our money. Gym, weights, aerobic classes, etc? How will this affect our tax rate for the next “x” number of years. Proposed monthly/yearly costs for individuals and families and what type of classes and programs will be offered. I realize the cost of living has had an impact on the total costs so why not throw in a pool at this point? It certainly won’t get any cheaper as we have already seen with the current costs. Thank you very much.

    -- Posted by sig on Mon, Oct 24, 2022, at 9:01 AM
  • Javabeans, I also think that's interesting. I already thought it was unusual how Hendricks Regional has been expanding into Putnam with the medical offices, especially since learning they're also a government hospital, and are funding all this expansion with medicare money they siphon off of the 47 nursing homes they own, the same as Putnam Co. is doing. I know I'm going on a tangent here, but I don't think it's really much different than the inmates who filed for unemployment while in jail. Perhaps they should be able to so they can help their families while in jail and can't work, but since the law says you can't do that they just love busting those guys, while the hospitals get away with it, because even though it's kinda the same idea, the law doesn't specifically say you have to actually spend the medicare on the nursing home, so they don't. That's how they fund all this, and is the only reason they talk the owners of these nursing homes into letting them claim ownership so they can lie and say the nursing home is now part of the hospital so it will get additional funds meant for what's now technically a gov't nursing home to improve care, that the hospital instead then takes and uses for things like a big indoor pool or recreation center (or pay raises for executives) but lying is okay here because the law doesn't specifically say not to, I guess?

    Healthcare costs in Indiana are high, but if they try to claim that's where the money is coming from for these projects then why even go through the trouble of pretending to own all the nursing homes just so they can defraud the federal government?

    If the plans for a pool from Hendricks Regional were anything like the one they have in Avon, it would've been an indoor water park with slides and a splash park. That would be great, but we already have that at Robe Ann, and another local pool probably would include some annual cost to the city, and also might theoretically draw people away from the park pool, maybe that's how they saw it. They also probably looked at what other counties have as far as pools based on population and whatnot and decided to hold off for now, which perhaps was a good decision but still disappointing.

    I think it also might sound strange if our community center had "Hendricks Regional Health" in the name like the one in Avon, but that wouldn't necessarily be a dealbreaker for me.

    They also own alot more nursing homes than Putnam Co. Hospital, so I'm not surprised they could afford a pool.

    And I see your point about the athletic trainers, I also don't quite understand the reasoning behind the hospital taking over and basically monopolizing every source of healthcare in the area. Except for the fact that they are swimming in cash from nursing homes and as a not-for-profit they are finding ways to spend it (or launder it basically). But now Putnam County Hospital has even created a for profit company called Putnam Post Acute Holdings, llc that lists the CEO and board members as owners and are using that to buy nursing homes and transfer money back and forth to the hospiral and who knows what else.

    -- Posted by Raker on Mon, Oct 24, 2022, at 10:29 AM
  • If it is a place for all of putnam county why would you out greencastle in the name? Why not the putnam county YMCA?

    -- Posted by Keepyaguessin on Mon, Oct 24, 2022, at 11:53 AM
  • If Javabeans is correct in saying that Mayor Dory turned down Hendricks Regional’s offer to pay for the pool why are we (the public) just now hearing about it? Where’s the transparency from the Mayor & Common Council (I assume Common Council was aware of this offer). Maybe there are good reasons it was turned down, but right now it all seems very underhanded. As taxpayers we have the right to hear the explanation behind this. Anyone from the Common Council willing to explain?

    -- Posted by 3m50 on Mon, Oct 24, 2022, at 2:11 PM
  • For those who do now know me, my name is Adam Cohen, and I sit on the Greencastle Council. I always put my name on what I post. If you want to contact me, you can find all my contact information at https://www.cityofgreencastle.com/officials/elected-officials/common-council.

    I decided to look into the allegations made here. I want to be clear I could find no city official that was contacted with any proposal, including the mayor. If someone has any information otherwise, please get in touch with me.

    I was elected to serve and do my best when people have concerns I can tell you that all of the council does its best to listen and try to help

    -- Posted by acohen on Mon, Oct 24, 2022, at 8:18 PM
  • *

    Thank you for putting the conspiracy theories to rest, Adam.

    -- Posted by Bunny1E on Mon, Oct 24, 2022, at 9:50 PM
  • Javabeans, the ball is now in your court. What is your response to Mr. Cohen?

    -- Posted by 3m50 on Mon, Oct 24, 2022, at 10:43 PM
  • Yes sir, Mr. Cohen thank you for taking time to find out the facts and update us. Obviously, Javabean is just trying to spread fake rumors and waste our time.

    Javabeans,

    Don't be such a narcissist. That lie was too malicious to just be trolling, you obviously have an abusive personality and should get some help.

    -- Posted by Raker on Tue, Oct 25, 2022, at 7:50 AM
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