State says waste clean for dioxins; Citizens remain skeptical

Thursday, March 9, 2023

RUSSELLVILLE — A Wednesday report from the Indiana Department of Environmental Management noted no harmful levels of dioxins in loads that have arrived from New Palestine, Ohio, to a hazardous waste landfill in Russell Township.

Even so, some locals remain skeptical of the tests and of what could eventually end up in the soil and water of Putnam County.

At issue is exactly what is rolling into the Heritage Environmental Services facility between Russellville and Roachdale after the Environmental Protection Agency announced last week that soil from the early-February train derailment would be shipped there.

Having previously been critical of the decision by the EPA decision to ship the hazardous soil to Indiana, Gov. Eric Holcomb announced the results on Wednesday alongside a statement of his own.

“Pace Labs has completed and shared the full results of their third-party dioxin testing I had ordered and expedited last week,” Holcomb said, noting that initial samples were taken on Saturday morning, March 4, after the trucks began arriving on March 1.

“These results indicate that the material tested does not contain any harmful levels of dioxins when compared to acceptable levels established by the EPA,” Holcomb continued. “Furthermore, these results demonstrate that the site operator is lawfully permitted to dispose of that material at its site. We have informed the EPA and the site operator of these testing results.”

Last week, Heritage Environmental announced that the material being shipped to Russellville would contain butyl acrylate and vinyl chloride, both or which are permitted at the facility, not dioxins.

Ordered by IDEM, a state agency, these tests by Pace Environmental are being performed in addition to tests ordered by the EPA, a federal agency, before any future loads leave the wreck site.

“We will have Pace Labs continue to test samples of any future loads that may arrive in Indiana from East Palestine to confirm that none of the material contains harmful levels of dioxins,” Holcomb said.

However, a local man who is leading the charge to stop the shipments is not satisfied with the results. On Monday, Rudy Guerrero spoke to the Putnam County Commissioners, telling them that the industry standard is to have three independent labs, not one, do testing for dioxins.

“If you tell me that you’re only using one testing facility, that tells me that you’re intentionally or through laziness or whatever motive, you are not up to speed on the most important, current topic in our state,” Guerrero said in a Wednesday video posted to Facebook.

Guerrero further questioned how independent Pace might be. Saying it was brought to his attention by a former Heritage employee, Guerrero pointed to a 2013 press release from Pace Environmental noting the company’s acquisition of the Heritage Environmental Services commercial laboratory.

Of note, part of the release seems to indicate a partnership between the two entities as much as an acquisition. For example, it is noted that “Heritage Environmental Services has also established an alliance and a long-term partnership with Pace Analytical to continue to serve their testing needs going forward.”

The CEO of each company at the time also calls it a partnership in the release.

What is unclear is whether this partnership is ongoing.

Regardless, IDEM noted that testing will continue as ordered by both federal and state authorities.

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  • It's a surprising development to find out the governor hired a testing company that, coincidently, had a business partnership with the landfill. Oh, wait ... actually there's no surprise, because Holcomb is a con-servative republican, and villainy in the name of the rich is what they do best!

    -- Posted by Raker on Thu, Mar 9, 2023, at 6:58 PM
  • I really don't care if it's a Democrat or Republican. If it speaks on the behalf of the government and involves anything concerning the health of the masses, I automatically assume it is misleading at best or an outright lie at worse. I think recent history proves my point. Consider me biased.

    -- Posted by Prince of Stardust Hills on Thu, Mar 9, 2023, at 7:54 PM
  • Yikes! The amount of hate is sometimes amazing

    -- Posted by beg on Thu, Mar 9, 2023, at 8:07 PM
  • The amount of people screaming about nonexistent dioxins has also been amazing.

    -- Posted by Koios on Thu, Mar 9, 2023, at 9:40 PM
  • I agree. The aquifer aspect does bring up a good question and I guess if we lived close to the landfill, we might have a different perspective.

    Sadly, though, it feels like you defend hate and rip concern, even if a concern that isn’t needed.

    -- Posted by beg on Thu, Mar 9, 2023, at 9:58 PM
  • Come on people…settle down. They have been disposing of toxic waste there for years and years. That’s what it’s there for. Yes they have had business relationships with this testing firm in the past because they test everything to keep good records. Yes it was a bad accident but people are trying to cash in on this unfortunate deal.

    -- Posted by localjoe on Fri, Mar 10, 2023, at 7:01 AM
  • I heard the Railroad CEO on the news this morning. He said they have large piles of dirt filled with toxic chemicals and he ask "what happens if it rains" yet it is OK to dump this toxic dirt above the aquifer. Norfolk Southern isn't concerned about Putnam County , only the mess in Ohio they are responsible for.

    -- Posted by Alfred E. on Fri, Mar 10, 2023, at 8:03 AM
  • I've done a little bit of research, Koios, and I'm sorry to have to tell you that you're wrong - dioxins DO exist! In fact, they apparently exist everywhere and in every living thing, and have since prehistoric times. They are created any time something is burned. Ironically, the way you dispose of dioxins is to burn them in a fire! There are even studies saying that the sediment at the bottom of rivers contains dangerous levels of dioxins that get spread around every time they flood.

    I think that's why the EPA is having them test a large area surrounding the train wreck site, to get a baseline for the dioxin levels that already are in the soil to compare with. I think we'll eventually get some reliable testing, since the whole country is watching and news outlets likely won't let them get away with anything that looks like a cover-up. As far as the soil in the Heritage landfill, if someone local wants further testing done on it, they will probably need to contact the federal EPA office. IDEM's commissioner was appointed by Holcomb, and by law, reports directly to him, so you already know you'll get nowhere pleading with these republicans around here. But even if the hauled dirt contains a higher than normal level of dioxins, and even if the landfill were to leak into the ground, by the time it seeped down into the aquifer wouldn't it be so filtered and diluted that it wouldn't be at a toxic level? That's just a complete guess, I'm not a scientist.

    -- Posted by Raker on Fri, Mar 10, 2023, at 12:48 PM
  • It is a valid question:

    How much is enough toxins and leaching waste products, is enough to store in the Putnam County Hazardous Waste site? Seems reasonable.

    Forty plus year accumulations might be enough, given the upstream location of the waste site to Hardin Lake and the number of acres added though expansion. Might be big enough?

    The effect of chemical toxins in water supplies could take some time to show itself, unless there is an immediate problem. Like the disastrous burn off and leakage of the tank contents in East Palestine, OH. It was quickly apparent of the nature of that toxicity.

    If I lived in or near East Palestine, OH I would like to know is it safe to live there now.

    As I see it. EPA is ultimately the authority of how this or any other spill is cleaned up. The Norfolk and Southern Railroad should be the responsible party for liability and the costs of the cleanup.

    Right now, those two principals are trying to lay the burn off on the local Fire Chief of East Palestine for making the immediate judgement call.

    This stinks as bad as the burn off did in that small town.

    Actually, it's worse, these government agencies are supposed to be our advocates against this kind of avarice.

    You paying attention yet to big picture here?

    -- Posted by direstraits on Fri, Mar 10, 2023, at 2:13 PM
  • direstraits has an excellent point. Why the big hurry to trust or believe anything a government agency tells you. The agency may be correct, but from my point of view as someone caught up in the Downwinder's legacy, many government agencies are highly politized and not necessarily the advocate for the public they claim to represent. The Heritage facility was built on an aquifer used by the surrounding communities. Doesn't that tell you something? Anything? It may very well have been a mistake from the beginning, and its continued use as a landfill justifies nothing.

    -- Posted by Prince of Stardust Hills on Fri, Mar 10, 2023, at 3:17 PM
  • And down the rabbit hole they go. At least there won’t be any dioxins down there.

    -- Posted by Koios on Fri, Mar 10, 2023, at 9:33 PM
  • Koios, I've already been down the rabbit hole, which in my case was in the basement of a nondescript laboratory building at the Dugway Proving Grounds where America tests its biological and chemical weapons on so-called volunteers. As a result, I now believe very little of what my government tells me and practically nothing from those who haven't shared a similar experience.

    -- Posted by Prince of Stardust Hills on Fri, Mar 10, 2023, at 9:49 PM
  • Sounds like you should move off the grid to the woods. The government is least likely to bother you there.

    -- Posted by Koios on Fri, Mar 10, 2023, at 10:07 PM
  • The government doesn't bother me at all. I love my country and government. I defended them for many years. I just reserve the right to believe or disbelieve my government or the peer pressure of outwardly forceful people.

    -- Posted by Prince of Stardust Hills on Fri, Mar 10, 2023, at 10:20 PM
  • I also love my country. I also serve to protect it. Quite frankly I’m concerned about it.

    -- Posted by Koios on Fri, Mar 10, 2023, at 10:36 PM
  • I'm with you, Koios, 100 percent.

    -- Posted by Prince of Stardust Hills on Fri, Mar 10, 2023, at 10:42 PM
  • 👍👍🏿👍🏽👍🏾

    -- Posted by Koios on Fri, Mar 10, 2023, at 10:49 PM
  • Contamination of an aquifer depends on several factors. If there are impermeable layers like clay, that a liquid encounters as gravity pulls it downward, then the liquid’s passage is slowed. If, however, the layers are permeable like exists with sand or gravel, a solution, including water, will move downward much faster. The earth below the level of soil consists of many, varied layers and materials in our county. The common way to know the composition of what lies between the upper crust of soil and bedrock is to drill a well. Well drillers’ detailed records of different strata they encounter when drilling is how geologists can determine where aquifers are located or whether wells in an area pull well water from bedrock.

    To better understand the risk that is posed by the Heritage Environmental Services landfill, anyone can go to the DNR Division of Water website and view Well Water Records to read about where we, residents of Putnam County, get our water. The well records on the HES properties show significant deposits of sand and gravel layers in the strata and not deep layers of clay.

    If anyone wants a better explanation, discuss our dilemma with a geologist or hydrologist. Again, in my opinion, the hazardous waste landfill should never have been located where it is. Unfortunately, hazardous waste has been dumped there for 41+ years. Waste is contained within a non permeable, man-made barrier. As long as there is no breach in that barrier, the ground water remains uncontaminated. What will happen, though, when the barrier is generations old? Centuries old?

    -- Posted by LJScott on Fri, Mar 10, 2023, at 11:05 PM
  • Yeah, this totalitarian regime in power now, very compassionate. Patriotic some might say...hmm?

    How much is promised to East Palestine? I probably just missed that on Politico.

    Those 5000 or so people in OHIO (that's in America in case you didn't know) have had their lives turned upside down and what immediate help is there from these overlords in Biden's administration. (is that crickets? no... they're dead)

    Burn that crap off in your backyard and get those trains moving, NOW!

    Too busy with the donor's needs. Sorry.

    See the new American standard of compassion!

    Plenty of BILLIONS for those grift partners in Ukraine though.

    There just seems to be a "special relationship" for the whole Biden Family there.

    So special.

    How long did you wait for the Downwinders reparations, Prince?

    Too bad you didn't carry some water for these modern icons of compassion.

    -- Posted by direstraits on Sat, Mar 11, 2023, at 12:15 PM
  • Wow. That’s some crazy stuff right there.

    -- Posted by Koios on Sat, Mar 11, 2023, at 9:45 PM
  • I can't believe anyone would have a beef with a SSLCL government. They are perfect and have never made a mistake

    -- Posted by beg on Sat, Mar 11, 2023, at 11:45 PM
  • Romans 1:28,32

    And since they did not see fit to honor God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.

    ...they not only do them but give approval to those who practice such things.

    -- Posted by direstraits on Sun, Mar 12, 2023, at 8:39 AM
  • Is the storm coming?

    -- Posted by Koios on Sun, Mar 12, 2023, at 9:25 AM
  • You afraid of storms?

    -- Posted by direstraits on Sun, Mar 12, 2023, at 6:10 PM
  • Naw, last one couldn’t even overturn an election or overthrow an elected government. Did deliver a pretty good Covid vaccine though.

    -- Posted by Koios on Sun, Mar 12, 2023, at 9:39 PM
  • didn't think so.

    you like the deception.

    as usual delusional.

    -- Posted by direstraits on Sun, Mar 12, 2023, at 11:06 PM
  • That’s precious. Delusional.

    -- Posted by Koios on Sun, Mar 12, 2023, at 11:20 PM
  • for anybody else

    Proverbs 9:10

    Fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and the knowledge of the Holy One is insight.

    -- Posted by direstraits on Sun, Mar 12, 2023, at 11:20 PM
  • Exactly.

    -- Posted by Koios on Sun, Mar 12, 2023, at 11:35 PM
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