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Fillmore may allow hunting within town

Friday, April 3, 2009

FILLMORE -- Town Board members Wes Terhune and Alan Jones were acres apart in agreeing on an ordinance that would regulate the use and discharge of fire arms in the town.

As it currently reads, the ordinance would allow hunting within the town as long as no gun is discharged within 300 feet of a building. Terhune wanted an amendment making it impossible to hunt unless there were 10 acres or more.

He cited a recent accident where a man laying in his bed was shot from 1,200 feet.

"This is a town," Terhune said. "You guys want to make it OK to hunt inside the city limits. I live in the cluster of houses that could be shot into."

Jones did not agree with making the amendment, but declined to make any comments about it. Several residents at the meeting did not hesitate to show their displeasure and argued in favor of allowing hunting in town as long as a gun was not discharged within the 300 feet.

"Most people around here who hunt have enough common sense to know what to do," one resident said. "Kids now have to go through a safety course to get a license."

Another resident told the council he didn't care which way they voted but hoped they would take into consideration the fact that there was a school, People Pathways coming through town and kids playing on the streets before they voted.

Others questioned being able to protect themselves or property under the new ordinance.

"I'm only talking about hunting," said Terhune. "You can still shoot a gun outside of 300 feet. I'm only talking about hunting. I want 10 acres for hunters in town."

Council President Jeff Osborne tabled the ordinance for more discussion especially with the disagreement between Terhune and Jones.

"We'll talk about it and start over again," he said. "We may come back with the exact same ordinance next month. We'll just have to see."

Osborne also reported to the council about a meeting he had with Jim Coffenberry from West Central regarding a grant from the Lily Endowment resulting from flood damages last year.

"We have to demonstrate a certain income level to qualify for some funds," he said. "So we're going to have to do an income survey before we can apply."

Volunteers will visit homes and provide questionnaires that can be filled out in private and placed in sealed envelopes. Questions will include the number of people in a household and the amount of income above or below $31,250 or above or below $35,700.

"There are a few other questions but nothing big," added Osborne.

Grant money would be used for water and sewer repairs and to prevent future flooding. Volunteers are needed to go door to door to collect the surveys.

Town Clerk Wanda Seidler reported $106,000 of uncollected sewer arrearages had been whittled down to about $70,000. The town plans to pursue those with sewer arrearages in court beginning next month.

This course of action is being used because the town cannot turn off the sewer to buildings without digging up the lines and causing the buildings to be condemned.

Kevin McCammack was approved as the town's new water superintendent. He replaced Jim Nelson, who is the water superintendent in Bainbridge and has been helping out the town. McCammack will receive the same salary as Nelson -- $6,000 a year.

A search is underway for a new town marshal. Tom Helmer agreed to stay in the position until a new marshal is hired. There are currently three candidates.

"Qualifications and proximity are the priorities in hiring a new marshal," said Osborne.

Town Council members planned to talk with all three candidates after the evening meeting.

Here is a copy of the proposed ordinance. If you wish to see the current ordinance go to www.fillmoreindiana.com




WHEREAS, it is in the interest of the citizens of the Fillmore Community to regulate the use and discharge of firearms and weapons.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT ORDAINED by the Town Board of the Town of Fillmore, Indiana:


The Town Board or its designee may authorize activities that would otherwise be a violation of this ordinance for parades, ceremonial occasions or under special circumstances as determined by the Town Board.


The use of firearms shall be permitted in open areas within the corporate limits subject to Rules and Regulations of the Department of Natural Resources so long as the activity is with permission of the owner and at least 300 feet from any dwelling, unless the owner of said dwelling has granted permission.


This Ordinance shall not be construed to prohibit any law enforcement officer from 'discharging a firearm in the performance of his duty; nor a citizen from discharging a firearm when lawfully defending his person or property, or the property of another that is in that person's best interest of defense and within the laws of the State of Indiana.


Nothing in this ordinance shall be construed or applied to necessarily require or excuse noncompliance with any provision of the laws of the State of Indiana or to the laws of the United States. This ordinance and the penalties prescribed for violation hereof shall not supersede, but shall supplement all statutes of the State of Indiana or of the United States in which similar conduct may be prohibited or regulated.


Penalty - Any persons violating this ordinance shall be fined the sum of One Hundred Dollars ($100.00) for a first offense and Two Hundred Fifty Dollars ($250.00) for a second offense.

This Ordinance shall repeal Ordinance 1990-1 and be in full force and effect after its passage, as provided by law.

THIS ORDINANCE was passed and adopted this 2nd - day of April, 2009.



Jeff Osborn, President (Ward 3)


Alan Jones, Ward 2


Wes Terhune, Ward 1



Wanda Seidler, Clerk/Treasurer

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Hunting in town? Are you kidding me? Does Fillmore have anything better to talk about? After the recent shooting in Morgan County I would think this would be a mute subject. No one needs to be shooting guns with close neighbors, children playing or near a school.

-- Posted by nascar_Couple on Fri, Apr 3, 2009, at 5:58 AM

Hunting in town? You are Nuts! Someone will get hurt, I don't care how many classes you take it is pure reckless.

-- Posted by mad-mom on Fri, Apr 3, 2009, at 6:09 AM

Only in Fillmore would they seriously allow hunting in town! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? Just because kids are supposed to have a course before they can shoot doesn't mean they're going to. Get serious!! This is the most ridiculous thing I have heard. I can't tell you how thankful I am that I don't live in Fillmore and have to worry about my kids getting shot in their own yard or living room.

-- Posted by putcogirl on Fri, Apr 3, 2009, at 6:29 AM

Hunting in town? Honestly, does this really sound like a good idea? Think about it people. why is this idea even being entertained. It is sooo wrong on soo many levels. We have a liquor store, a gas station where you can buy drug paraphenilia and now residence can hunt in town. Brillant! Why not discuss how to get peoples water bill down in town so there won't be houses sitting empty and the town continuing to go down hill. Maybe having the new ordinance of being able to hunt in town is a tactic to bring more people to live in Fillmore. Can you say redneck.

-- Posted by Hawkeye on Fri, Apr 3, 2009, at 6:37 AM

Really? Hunting inside city limits. Come on people, use your heads. Sounds like someone is lacking some common sense. That person needs to go!

-- Posted by what_it's_worth on Fri, Apr 3, 2009, at 7:21 AM

Can someone please tell me a single positive aspect of being able to hunt in town? What a HORRIBLE idea.

-- Posted by LangdonUlger on Fri, Apr 3, 2009, at 7:31 AM

Filmore's demographics just reared it's not so pretty head.

-- Posted by reeltime on Fri, Apr 3, 2009, at 7:34 AM

That is dumb.

-- Posted by just a local on Fri, Apr 3, 2009, at 8:24 AM

You do realize that a bullet travels farther than 300 feet of the gun itself. You also must be saying that every person who is allowed to shoot must have sniper quality and they always hit their mark, otherwise you know they could hit a child who was running behind a building and came out just in time to get hit, or even someones pet.

I have a daughter who attends Fillmore Elementary and although I do not live within the town limits I am strongly against this law. We have guns my son hunts but he knows not to point it towards a building or anything but an open field within miles. That is how far a bullet CAN travel. Who wants to take a chance and then after someone is hurt or killed hear the town board say "Oh we were wrong!"

-- Posted by onetwomany97 on Fri, Apr 3, 2009, at 9:36 AM

What is going on in Fillmore? Why even consider something like this? Stupidity is dangerous.

-- Posted by citizenoftheworld on Fri, Apr 3, 2009, at 12:12 PM

Who sits around thinking up these things?

-- Posted by floyd'srangerriders on Fri, Apr 3, 2009, at 12:16 PM

For the record, it has been legal to hunt in Fillmore since 1990. The new Ordinance would have removed the explicit permission to hunt in Town. View details at http://fillmoreindiana.com/

-- Posted by JOsborn on Fri, Apr 3, 2009, at 12:55 PM

I think this needs to go higher up the political chain...I will be in contact with my State Representatives about this. It is very apparent that the Town Board Members are not educated enough in Law, Leadership or Politics for that matter.

How do you sleep at night??? One will never know.

I'm a Fillmore Residence who now fears for my life and my children's! Each and every one of you needs to be removed IMMEDIATELY! I'm so embarrassed for even telling anyone where I live...

-- Posted by smartmom on Fri, Apr 3, 2009, at 2:11 PM

Everyone wanting to voice their opinion against this horrible ordinance needs to contact Nancy Michael as she is our State Representative for this area!

-- Posted by smartmom on Fri, Apr 3, 2009, at 2:33 PM

Anybody that's been on a range at night firing tracer rounds knows it doesn't take much to deflect a projectile. Even a .22 round can go a long ways until it loses energy.

-- Posted by Harmony Church on Fri, Apr 3, 2009, at 3:55 PM

"For the record, it has been legal to hunt in Fillmore since 1990. The new Ordinance would have removed the explicit permission to hunt in Town."

According to the state it is is illegal to hunt on private property with out permission from the landowner. So all you folks in town who own property that don't want any shooting, well then just don't let anyone hunt.

-- Posted by reeltime on Fri, Apr 3, 2009, at 9:04 PM

can someone tell me just what the heck you going to hunt in the town limits? This is one of the most stupid things I have ever heard. Someone needs to take this idea to Indianapolis. They may alow hunting in there too. You people are just to dumb to be in office to even intertain this idea. Glad I do not live in Fillmore. If I did I would have to get a hunting licence. Wow

-- Posted by Dustybuster on Sat, Apr 4, 2009, at 9:04 PM

so if you get permission from the owner, you can shoot anywhere you want? even if i'm reading this wrong: this is really dumb. this will end with a tragedy eventually.

-- Posted by BORNINPUTCO on Sat, Apr 4, 2009, at 9:45 PM

Can anyone say Cloverdale? For minute there I thought I had run out of things to send out of state as an example of living in Mayberry. Keep it coming... best laugh I have had since the firetruck got booted.

-- Posted by et on Sat, Apr 4, 2009, at 9:54 PM

6,560,000 hits for stray bullet on the internet. It would not be a "SPORT" to hunt in Fillmore. Focus on the safety and read of how others have had to deal with a stray bullet.

-- Posted by Focus on Sun, Apr 5, 2009, at 7:16 AM

I have always heard Fllmore referred to as Hill Billy Alley-now wanting to allow hunting in Fillmore! Sounds true to me. Do something constructive to make Fillmore a better place-more positive things to discuss. There are a lot of well kept homes but, some are trashy-work on cleaning up to make it more beautiful to drive thru. It is amazing how much a difference picking up trash and some paint can do.

-- Posted by bam on Mon, Apr 6, 2009, at 10:02 AM

Oh my gosh, you people act as if they are going to walk down main street with guns in hand. It is a rural area and 1 mile out of town in any direction are wooded areas that have been and probably will continue to be hunted, with the landowners permission of course.

I am glad that in Fillmore everyone has so much money that they don't have to hunt for their food as their ancestors did. If a hunter is being responsible let them hunt, this is still America, for now at least.

-- Posted by tjchopper on Mon, Apr 6, 2009, at 10:07 AM


-- Posted by skittlebug on Mon, Apr 6, 2009, at 11:21 AM

What an assnine ordinance to allow the discharge of firearms in the town limits! I would not waste my time or anyone elses with bigger fish to fry.

I guess that should fix the stray dog problems.

How about a turkey shoot at the town hall or best two out of three at the Barbaque???

-- Posted by Aepple on Mon, Apr 6, 2009, at 3:16 PM

Hicks from the sticks. You are now the laughing stock of the state.

-- Posted by Siera on Mon, Apr 6, 2009, at 5:20 PM

Just a little information on an example of that is most commoly shot here in Iraq, an M-4 (AR-15) Bullet which is a .223 when shot from 100 yards or roughly 300 feet can pass through 1 inch steel and still kill a human. At 300 yards ( where the bullet is supposed to magicaly stop) it still has a velocity of 2541 feet per second, and it is STILL going!!! The Effective range is 550 m (600 yd) so anyone within that range can be killed, but I have seen it shoot targets farther than that and be effective. I don't hunt animals, but most hunters use 30-06 rifles I am guessing to shoot deer? That being a much more powerful round, I don't really know the speed and balistics of that round off hand as I don't use it, but I could guess it would excede the 300 feet limit. Thanks Wes for putting the Voice of reason into a meeting that seemed to need it, I can't understand why any one would even concider shooting within a city unless you were in Iraq or Afghanistan.

-- Posted by Afghan Contractor on Mon, Apr 6, 2009, at 7:05 PM

how stupid can board members be first you let 4 wheelers run loose now we can blast away animals in town whats next making drugs legal hey now theres a great one !!!!!!!

-- Posted by blk on Tue, Apr 7, 2009, at 4:34 PM

Hey bondsman, The round I am speaking of is the new one made by Federal Ammunition which is in response to the guys in Afghanistan needing a little more Power in the round. Got it on the rounds used there in for hunting, still kind of goofy to do that with people in close proximity. And no, I will not do the border security, I sure there are other plans for me. Good to see your response.

-- Posted by Afghan Contractor on Thu, Apr 9, 2009, at 5:37 AM

The rate Fillmore is going I predict the town will have a strip club and an adult bookstore by this time next year. Words of wisdom: If you go outside in Fillmore make sure you dress yourself, children, and dogs in their hunter orange.

-- Posted by Hawkeye on Thu, Apr 9, 2009, at 7:06 AM

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