Deputies looking for more competitive pay

Friday, August 3, 2018

Earlier this year, the Putnam County Sheriff’s Department lost a deputy to the Martinsville Police Department.

After 2-1/2 years of service with PCSD, the officer was able to take a job in the nearby city with an immediate $12,000 salary increase.

It’s a problem the department has faced all too often in recent years, and one that department administrators and rank-and-file officers are hoping the county can rectify.

In a special meeting of the Putnam County Council on Monday, officers laid out their case for a substantial pay increase in 2019, hopeful for consideration as budget hearings approach in September.

Shortly before the meeting was called to order, men in brown uniforms began filing in to the meeting. It made for a nearly capacity crowd with Sheriff Scott Stockton and 18 deputies (only two were absent) as well as a number of deputies’ wives and children.

“I think you guys have broken the record,” Council President Darrel Thomas said. “We’ve never had this many people in this room before.”

The united front was appropriate, considering what PCSD is proposing — a $233,115 increase in the merit deputy salary budget, up from $794,885 in 2018.

Understanding the sticker shock on an 29-percent budget increase, Lt. Doug Nally laid out how the PCSD pay scale compares to a number of neighboring departments.

The entry level salary of a Putnam County deputy is $15.44 per hour, or $32,132 annually. By comparison, a Greencastle Police officer starts at $18.18 per hour, or $37,822 annually.

In all, Nally presented starting salary information for 11 sheriff’s or police departments in nearby communities. They ranged from $18.02 ($37,481) at the Clay County Sheriff’s Department to $24.73 ($51,443) at the Danville Police Department.

Nally emphasized that many of the officers could take jobs at these departments without having to move.

Perhaps most telling was the comparison with the Montgomery County Sheriff’s Department, with the similarity in population of the two counties.

A Montgomery County deputy starts at $20.57, for an annual salary of $43,000, more than $10,000 more than Putnam County.

Nally went on to compare the average salary of Putnam County deputies of various ranks with the same ranks at the compared departments. Putnam County was anywhere from $5,321 to $10,883 below the average.

For department officials, though, the argument goes beyond money to a matter of safety.

Chief Deputy Phil Parker, in his next-to-last day on the job before leaving for a similar post in Clark County, laid out the battle of attrition he and Sheriff Stockton have been fighting since taking office in January 2015.

“We’ve hired 14 merit deputies (with a total of 19 positions) since we came on here,” Parker said. “So that’s 73 percent of this agency that has attritioned in three years and seven months.

“Our pay structure, has come to the point where we have had attrition,” Parker said. “It’s just become very ineffective. When you have attrition like that, it becomes a safety issue.”

Parker and Maj. Dwight Simmons explained how filling a vacancy is not simply a matter of plugging in a new person off the street.

Instead, applicants go through a selection process that involves written tests, physical conditioning, multiple interviews, a background check and a medical and psychological examination.

If they get through all of this as the top candidate, they are given a conditional offer of employment.

“They are sworn in and their training is just beginning at that point,” Parker said.

If a candidate is brand new to police work, he or she must then complete 40-hour Pre-Basic training as well as attend the 15-week course at the Indiana Law Enforcement Academy.

Besides ILEA, deputies must go through an observation time of riding with other officers as well as a year as a probationary deputy.

The vacancies, the absences for training and the doubling up of officers during training makes for a lot of extra work during these times.

“When you’re field training and you’re constantly facing vacancies, these guys are working to fill shifts,” Parker said. “When you start filling those shifts that’s a safety issue because these guys are tired.”

It takes an average of 28 weeks from hiring an officer to getting him out on his own, and in the meantime, it’s a lot of fatigue for the other officers.

None of this takes into consideration the inefficiency of new employees.

“The general consensus in the police field is that three to five years is when a guy is an experienced officer,” Parker said.

That means that more than half of the current PCSD deputy roster is inexperienced.

“This is an ever-changing, situational endeavor that is only perfected by experience,” Parker said. “I love these guys. I’m proud of what they do. But they haven’t mastered their craft yet.”

The goal of the increased pay is to retain the current crop of officers, giving PCSD a more experienced roster as the years go by.

The proposed pay scale would go as follows: $39,000 for probationary officers, $44,000 for 1-5 years of experience, $49,000 for 5-10, $53,000 for 10-15, $56,000 for 15-20 and $58,000 for 20 or more years.

Additionally, ranks would come with their own pay bumps of $2,000 for a sergeant, $4,000 for a lieutenant, $6,000 for a captain, $8,000 for a major and another $3,000 for a chief (a major with 20 or more years).

The department projects that based on these scales, the salary line item would need to increase by $233,115 in 2019, followed by an estimated $9,000 in 2020, $15,000 in 2021 and $16,000 2022.

“There’s always guys moving up where they all get their time in,” Parker said.

While it would only offset a portion of the overall pay increase, Parker estimated the county will save $60,000 on the hiring process if the county begins retaining deputies at a better rate.

Sheriff’s Merit Board members Bill Newgent, Tony Detro and Larry Sutton were also in the audience, offering their support for the proposal.

“We have quality guys here and that’s what we want to keep. We can’t afford this turnover,” Newgent told the council. “As a citizen, I want to keep these guys here.”

In the end, department officials said they knew they were asking a lot of the council, but they are hoping they can work to find a solution.

“We’re just asking you to consider this,” Parker said. “I promised these guys I would see this through for them. I’m proud to do so. They deserve to be heard at least. That’s what you guys have allowed here tonight and I really appreciate that.

“We didn’t come in here to gang up on you tonight. We came to show that every one of these guys is in solidarity here,” Parker said. “We want to keep these men here. They want to raise their families here.”

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  • These men & women work hard and in sometimes dangerous situations. This should be a priority for the safety of all. They need to be compensated fairly and in line with other agencies.

    -- Posted by 3m50 on Sat, Aug 4, 2018, at 4:13 PM
  • I agree they need to be paid much more, especially in comparison with the other counties. It's too bad the Sheriff and Chief Parker won't hire people that are fully qualified and trained because of personal issues.

    -- Posted by Momma78 on Sat, Aug 4, 2018, at 4:34 PM
  • *

    Sadly, every employee in similar straights has similar musings:

    "I want to stay where I am..."

    "I want to raise a family..."

    "I don't want to move..."

    "But..."

    Contemporary Employment Instability 101 dictates that it's not how our modern economy works nor is that how authority figures architect budgets. Yesteryear's retiree (who had a nice and secure job for 30+ years that could pay for a house and a family of 3 with only his income and who left with a full pension) is today's myth of legend. That kind of job is all but dead because today's leader has only 1 goal in mind: Find ways to let people go or else stifle all unnecessary expenses while simultaneously finding new ways to get what you need with the least amounts of money possible. My guess is that someone at some point viewed their pay as an expendable line-item of sorts and kept shoving it under rugs as more pressing initiatives kept rearing their ugly heads. Gotta love the invisible hands at work!

    Best case scenario? They'll get their bumps...and everyone else, will get a new tax.

    Worst case scenario? They get no bumps and the rats keep jumping ship until an emergency is declared.

    The middle ground will be a partial bump...just enough to keep the knights quiet, a mere morsel to placate fragile sensibilities.

    -- Posted by DouglasQuaid on Sun, Aug 5, 2018, at 2:39 AM
  • What's the value of take home vehicles these days?

    -- Posted by kubotafan on Sun, Aug 5, 2018, at 5:13 PM
  • There are so many "perks" to this job.... now they want more money?

    Time to move then.

    There is budget for a reason. This is not a county where actual "danger" happens. Ascena is hiring for more than this salary, part time job anyone?

    -- Posted by BlackBarbie22 on Sun, Aug 5, 2018, at 8:01 PM
  • While I have several thoughts about the situation (do I want a law enforcement guy who's dedication to his community is for sale?) I think a nominal raise would be fair after a complete review of the situation.

    In the story one officer left PCSD for Martinsville PD. Martinsville is probably paying more b/c they have a larger tax base to support it and with their being so close to Marion County (and associated riff-raff) as to justify the higher pay for greater risk. Putnam County isn't exactly a hotbed of crime.

    In order to pay for the raises, the County Council can pare down the salaries & benefits, and other expenditures of the rest of the County government - starting at the "friends & family job program" at the County courthouse.

    -- Posted by AverageWhiteGuy on Mon, Aug 6, 2018, at 9:43 AM
  • Please enlighten us BlackBarbie22 as to what the other perks are?

    And what is your definition of "danger"? Does an officer have to be shot at for it to be a dangerous job? Oh wait, that has happened in Putnam Co.

    Most of us will never know the full extent of the danger these men and women of law enforcement face. They should at least make a wage that does not qualify them for food stamps.

    -- Posted by very.interesting on Mon, Aug 6, 2018, at 12:48 PM
  • I recall a bank robbery several years ago where at least 2 officers and a K9 were shot at during the ensuing pursuit, which ended with the suspect shot; a shooting on 240 where multiple deputies were shot at; a Cloverdale officer shot in the chest with a shotgun at point-blank range (thankfully his vest saved his life.) How much "danger" is needed to justify a competitive wage???

    -- Posted by Geologist on Mon, Aug 6, 2018, at 1:03 PM
  • Jmandeville72 -

    Other "perks" could include take home vehicle allowed for personal use, retired service weapons at a discount (with no option for public purchase), professional courtesy between law enforcement whereby infractions/violations are overlooked including but not limited to allowance for disregard of traffic laws, extra-credibility whenever an "A-said, B-said" situation arises that involves law enforcement, discounts/free stuff at various businesses... (and this is just what I know of off the top of my head)

    As for the definition of dangerous - if we look at the number of work deaths, we see that law enforcement is consistently not in the TOP 10 year after year. In fact, truck drivers and lawn maintenance workers have more dangerous jobs than law enforcement officers. So where is the Parks Department asking for more money?

    Per the articles numbers, the only way a deputy would qualify for food stamps is if they were a single wage family of 4 persons or more. If that's the case, perhaps its not the pay that is the problem but their life choices.

    Again - I say give 'em a raise if its warranted by proper attention to the question. There are plenty of places for the County to cut to find the money.

    -- Posted by AverageWhiteGuy on Mon, Aug 6, 2018, at 1:33 PM
  • VolunteerFF -

    Anecdotal evidence does not really make for a compelling argument. I can recall more specific plane crashes than you can recall "dangerous moments in law enforcement" and yet statistically speaking flying is very safe. The reason you remember all of these "dangerous moments" is exactly because they are so out of the norm. They are not standard/recurring events.

    I drive an hour each way, twice a day, five days a week, into Marion County to work. I am statistically more likely to be injured/killed during my commute than any given law enforcement officer in the line of duty. Should I ask my boss for a raise b/c of this?

    Or should I realize that to me this is an acceptable risk for living where I do, working where I work, earning what I earn. And if I should find this to no longer be acceptable, then I am free to move or find other employment.

    -- Posted by AverageWhiteGuy on Mon, Aug 6, 2018, at 1:45 PM
  • I believe you're missing something AverageWhiteGuy. When a LEO has a take home car that can be used for personal reasons, that also means he or she is expected to respond to any and all activity while they (and their family) is using this vehicle. It also means that at all times of the day and night there are people who are stopping at their home with questions. I'm sure you're thinking that's part of what they signed up for. But put that together with the number of times they respond to overdoses and have to advise family members of it. The times they work horrific fatal car crashes. The times they literally talk someone off the ledge. The days they get up in the middle of their sleep to go to court. And they know this is part of the job and they do it anyway. But how nice is it that sometimes they can go to McDonalds and lunch is taken care of. Why is that a problem? And that does not pay the bills. And neither does a take home care. These men and women are dealing with things that can't possibly be compared to a 1 hour commute. We should be thankful they "chose" to do this. We should not want them stressed out about their wages, knowing that they do deal with things that most of us couldn't mentally handle day in and day out. It's very easy to sit on this side of things and determine that they should be grateful for what they have, but let's be honest. They are grossly underpaid. $15 a hour is very low. And those retired duty weapons you're talking about - that might be an option, but on $15 an hour, I'm sure not too many of them are purchasing them. And again, that "perk" doesn't buy the groceries. As far as the parks department goes - if they are paid significantly under the industry standard, then they should go to the commissioners as well. Nobody's stopping them. They need a boss who cares enough to do what Sheriff Stockton is doing if you as me.

    -- Posted by very.interesting on Mon, Aug 6, 2018, at 3:43 PM
  • I make the same commute as you do. Because there are many thousands more motorists on the road than cops, of course there will be more motorists hurt or killed than cops shot or killed. That is no consolation for the ones who do get shot or killed, nor is it for their families. They aren't asking for an exorbitant amount of money, just something comparable to what others make around us. If they all choose to move as you and others suggest, we will be without experienced officers. As it stands right now, Putnam County screens them, trains them, pays for them to go to the Law Enforcement Academy, and then some other department hires them away for more money. They avoid all the expenses that have already been absorbed by our County. Why not keep what we have paid for?

    -- Posted by Geologist on Mon, Aug 6, 2018, at 3:53 PM
  • Jmandeville72 - you asked BlackBarbie what "perks" she was referring to... I was simply giving a list of "perks" that law enforcement officers receive, as well as responding to the rest of your post. Your lengthy offering on the stresses and happenings in the duty of the police officer is irrelevant to that point. They chose that career path. Law enforcement draws in two types of people - those that want to serve their community, and those that gravitate toward the power(real & perceived) of the badge. Both of these types of people know full well what they are getting into when they join law enforcement.

    And just b/c they don't take advantage of some perks, or some of these perks don't put food on the table, doesn't mean the perks don't exist or are of no benefit to law enforcement.

    I have no problem with them (law enforcement or the parks people) asking for a raise. Maybe they feel like they deserve it. If warranted, it will be given. But you argue from the point that they should get it simply b/c of your own personal opinions of the job. Those opinions can be, should be, and were countered.

    VolunteerFF - you do understand how statistics work, right? Of course there are more commuters than cops. The point is I am more likely to be seriously injured today than a cop is.

    Would my family be less aggrieved by my injury/death b/c of someone doing something illegal than the family of an officer who was injured/killed b/c of someone doing something illegal?

    I do agree that Putnam County would be well advised to do what they can to retain the value of their capital expenses (training dollars). Is a raise in line with this idea? Perhaps. But maybe they should also look at commitments/contracts? If the County is ponying up the money for all this training, perhaps a 4 or 5 year commitment is needed. Otherwise the officer would have to reimburse the County either all or a percentage of what was spent on them. Lots of companies do this - including a lot of first responder type jobs.

    I am not against giving the PCSD a raise. I am in favor of looking at the issue seriously and asking lots of questions... what can we do instead? what can we do in conjunction? how is this getting paid for?

    -- Posted by AverageWhiteGuy on Mon, Aug 6, 2018, at 4:40 PM
  • You're correct, I did ask BlackBarbie22 what perks they are referring too because their comment "now they want more money" implies that the perks should just be enough. My argument in response to their comments is that perks of this nature are not a replacement for a decent wage.

    -- Posted by very.interesting on Mon, Aug 6, 2018, at 4:50 PM
  • Putnam County can throw an extra $500,000 at OL then why not the Sheriffs Dept?

    -- Posted by becker on Tue, Aug 7, 2018, at 8:38 AM
  • For those of you challenging this pay increase, SHAME ON YOU. (proven our officers are keeping us safe for much less per hour than bordering services), are you really putting a price tag on your safety? A price tag on these servants lives?These hero’s knowingly, each and every day, kiss their families, walk out their doors with the only goal, TO KEEP YOU SAFE! Never knowing what wack job will decide they just don’t like our law enforcement or what they are perceived to stand for. These servants deserve much more than you for your dangerous “commute” to another County to pad your pocketbook. If you feel you have the courage and willingness to sacrifice what they are willing to, I suggest you sign up to fill a spot (and receive the “perks” you mention). If not, simply say thank you for what they do for you. Have you payed any attention to the news stories these past months. Respect the hero’s for risking their everything for us. Thank you officers. Watch your six.

    -- Posted by Everyone has a story on Tue, Aug 7, 2018, at 9:43 AM
  • Everyone has a story -

    I am sorry to see that despite all the previous posts, you still felt it necessary to post such ridiculous droning. Since I have a few minutes, let me explain some things.

    1) Shame on you for not asking questions about the pay increase. If its decided by the County Council to give the increase, that's fine so long as it is appropriately scrutinized and accounted for. But where is the money coming from? Do you think the county just prints their own money? Its taxpayer money. And taxpayers should understand where their money is going and what it is doing. Its not opposition against law enforcement or their desire for a raise. Its called responsible citizenship - being diligent about the money we give to government.

    2) Price tag on safety? The article talks about an officer who left PCSD for another department in another county - for money. Do you want your law enforcement's highest priority to be dollars over the community he lives in? There is a word for that - mercenary. I know several LEOs in several jurisdictions and for most of them its not about the pay, its about the community and the job. And if they had to take a pay cut, they probably would.

    3) I kiss my family and walk out my door every day with one of my many goals being to keep myself safe. That's why I carry a firearm. That's why I practice safe/defensive driving. That's why I practice situational awareness. I have news for you - that law enforcement officer's job is NOT to keep me safe. It is well established legal precedent that a cop has NO DUTY to protect individuals, only society at large. Now, perhaps you have a cop friend/family member who will be there right when you need them and not 15-20 minutes away to fill out the report after someone attacks/kills you. I don't. Nor do I live with some fantastical expectation that ANY law enforcement officer is going to keep me safe.

    4) You say that a person (LEO) who knew the pay, the risks, and the details of the job they signed up for deserves much more than me just b/c of the uniform they chose to wear... that's very high-minded socialist of you. You should run for office - you seem to be well educated on who deserves what, nevermind the free market or the free society.

    5) Statistically speaking, a citizen is more likely to be killed by a cop than a cop to be killed by a citizen.

    6) Some of these other jurisdictions are more dangerous (and therefore pay more) than Putnam County. Simply comparing Putnam County pay to Hendricks/Morgan/Marion/Boone pay for their county law enforcement is honestly silly or intentionally misleading.

    -- Posted by AverageWhiteGuy on Tue, Aug 7, 2018, at 1:03 PM
  • Stay Classy Putnam County... Stay Classy.

    -- Posted by Hungry&Fat on Tue, Aug 7, 2018, at 3:46 PM
  • Putnamville Correctional Facility is hiring starting at 16 dollars per hour maybe they should look into that if they want paid more plus half the year off ,but anyways they should at least make as much as clay county

    -- Posted by Putnam County Fan on Tue, Aug 7, 2018, at 4:01 PM
  • Easy comparisons.

    Violent crime numbers PER year

    National average

    Assault 283 per 100,000 residents

    Murder 6 per 100 k

    Rape 41 per 100 k

    Putnam Cty per 36,000 residents

    Assault 90

    Murder < 2 per year

    Rape < 13 per year

    Robbery < 45 per year

    Let’s just says for numbers sake that Putnam is relatively safe. Safety is probably the number one reason that the few (very) new residents choose to relocate here yearly.

    Now let’s discuss cost of living. Putnam is the 50th (out of 90) cheapest county to live in Indiana. Average rent is $715. Nationally rent is $950. Vermillion County Indiana is the cheapest at $578 monthly. So maybe look into Vermillion county deputies salaries???

    Also Hendricks county average rent is $950 so that’s also a good comparison as to comparing bordering counties.

    Now as far as incumbent deputies salaries being $32,000 yearly. I did a easy search on google and found that an E-1 that just joined the military can expect to make $19,000 a year and I think we all know the associated dangers with their jobs.

    I am neutral on this subject. I only believe that a persons wages should align with a persons knowledge and associated risks(real or perceived).

    I did some very easy homework on this matter that might help someone make a decision on whether or not Putnam County is paying their boys in blue enough.

    However if wages are a factor in whether or not a cop chooses their job than that begs THIS question....how much will be enough then????

    -- Posted by anonymous1996 on Tue, Aug 7, 2018, at 6:08 PM
  • Just for comparisons, a teacher in Putnam county needs a bachelors degree to be employed as a teacher, a deputy does not. A first year teacher in Putnam county will get $33,900, the deputy wants $44,000. A deputy will make $58,000 at 20 years, a teacher makes $58,000 after teaching for 32 years. Teachers don’t get take home cars and are allowed to drive them to Indianapolis. Let’s compare Putnam county salaries of those who also work very hard in their community.

    -- Posted by concernedcitizen3 on Tue, Aug 7, 2018, at 9:23 PM
  • Use some of the money that Operation Life has, their not using it as promised..

    Their taking the Bainbridge truck back out of service and the Cloverdale truck will stay in Greencastle. Pathetic.. Don't Call 911 for an ambulance.. Call STAR, I have their number already programmed in my phone.

    -- Posted by kids03 on Tue, Aug 7, 2018, at 10:14 PM
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