Former student in custody for possessing gun at Cloverdale High School

If one is charged, so should the other. This former student removed a firearm from current student's trunk. Don't play favorites.

Blueberry63- You are right on, after all the way I read the article it was the current student who actually brought the gun onto school property.

How dumb do you actually have to be? If they’re selling a gun they could have simply done it in another parking lot away from the school. Pure idiocy to do this at the school.

Great Job on the quick action taken by the asst principal school resource officer and the students who saw this .

Absolutely no excuse for this kind of conduct. It's more than an outrage. It is, indeed, every parent's nightmare.

So very grateful for watchful eyes at our schools.

His girlfriend needs charged. Had gun in car all day and kept calling boyfriend to come get it.

And...don't forget the neglectful parents(guns actual owner?) for not properly securing this gun after their home burnt. Sad day for a young man who just entering the marines. Was she really trying to get you discharged?

1) Transferring a rifle from one vehicle to another on school property is just stupid and asking for trouble.

2) Having a firearm on school property is NOT against the law, so long as the firearm is kept in a vehicle and out of sight. (So long as no other laws, like possession laws, are broken.)

3) There is NO AGE RESTRICTION (that I am aware of) on owning a long gun. When I was a kid it was very common for young boys to own .22's and shotguns. An AR-15 is simply a fancy .22 rifle.

My point being that its very possible that it was indeed the students rifle.

4) Hand-wringing and pearl-clutching is unnecessary. Except for the fact that they were stupid enough to make the transfer on school property, there doesn't seem to be any indication of bad intent or wrongdoing.

5) In my opinion - if everything else is legit about this rifle, and what Blueberry63 says about one of the kids joining the Marines is true, dress them down to make the point and get on with something a little more important.

Spot on analysis dreadpirateroberts...

I'm a gun owner and I believe in the 2nd amendment. How ever dreadpirateroberts it's very important to deal with this in a serious matter because who in there right mind would do this where other kids are present. With all that happens these days ( you know with the school shootings) this matter has to be and needs to be dealt with in a very serious punishment to both these boys. What if they would of done something g stupid like if one would of dropped the gun and it went off shooting a kid and killing him/her. These things really do happen. So in other words I think it's very important and I hope to see what the outcome is. Glad no kids were injured.

PeterPan - I am all for dealing with this in a serious manner.

But you can do serious without destroying a kids life for a stupid decision that didn't hurt anyone.

And I don't like the idea of punishing someone for "what-if". You should prosecute the crime based on the facts of what actually happened, not what might have happened. From there you add in other factors that would enhance or lessen the severity of the punishment.

As for your fear of a school shooting - the odds are against it.

Again with your accidental discharge - the odds are against it...to the point that it is statistically improbable.

Not saying that these things don't happen, and I am aware of the tragedy of such things, but its also possible that an asteroid could crash into the Earth and kill us all even though the odds are against it. Yes, life is risky. No, you don't need to be an alarmist.

Think of it like plane crashes. Plane crashes, kills all on board. News makes a big thing of it and now you are sure that planes are just falling out of the sky. However, if you look at that plane crash vs the number of planes in the sky all over the world on any given day - the odds of a plane crash are very slim. More people die from car crashes every day, but they rarely make the news any more than a quick note on the local news.

From what I read it is 100% against the law to A) be a minor in possession of an AR15 and B) be on school property with it.

https://lawcenter.giffords.org/minimum-age-to-purchase-or-possess-firearms-in-in...

I'm 100% behind vehicle extension laws for storing firearms that indiana as in place, but this is not a case and both people should be charged.

If you bring weed to school, get caught, you're automatically expelled, same should be with this situation. If the person didn't want their life ruined, then in 2019, don't bring an AR15 to school and openly hand it out.

To correct my previous post - and to respectfully refute MattWCummings post - I submit the following:

1) There are some laws concerning minors in possession of long guns. Several websites give obscure, if not conflicting, information.

Without getting too into the weeds - you can be 18 and purchase/own a long gun. As we don't know the age of the other person (the current student), it does no good to speculate on this in any fashion except to say that the 19yr old was likely legally able to own/possess the firearm, except that he "exposed" it at a school. (The folly of "gun-free zone" laws are fodder for another time.)

Again - it is NOT against the law to have a firearm at school. It simply must be secured in the vehicle (locked doors count), and it must be out of sight.

2) So we are all clear - an AR15 is a particular long gun made by a particular company. It is NOT a separate class/type of long gun. It is common vernacular to call any similar looking long gun an "AR15" much the same way we say "xerox" when we really mean "photocopy" and when we say "coke" when we really mean "soda". However, it is really no different than a Ruger 10/22 that you can still buy at Walmart in comparison to caliber (generally), capacity, or basic mechanics. (This to assuage all those that are afraid of "scary black guns".)

This story is about a long gun (regardless of its description) being transferred from one person to another... in a prohibited place. That is all. Everything else is alarmist noise and disinformation. (This is my opinion... have your own? Great! That and $2 will buy you a cup of coffee.)

3) Zero-tolerance policies (such as those that seem to be championed by MattWCummings) are bad policies with horrible consequences b/c it eliminates any discernment of facts, circumstances, or other factors that would otherwise influence an outcome.

Zero-tolerance policies brought about kids being expelled for finger guns, gun-shaped pastries, or even drawing a gun being held by a soldier.

Dread-

I have heard from local people at the school that the second person is a minor which complicates the matter two-fold: minor in possession and distribution issues. Until otherwise proven wrong, I'll operate under that framework.

You are correct that the story appears to be about gun distribution in a prohibited place. This is against the law and should be treated as so. This is a no-brainer with any law abiding, gun carrying citizen that open firearms are prohibited on school property.

Do I think this warrants a felony? probably not, but all parties should go before the legal system.

As part of your zero tolerance comments finger guns and pastries are pretty separate then what we're talking about here, a weapon being out during school hours.

Dreadpirateroberts, I can't comprehend what your saying, your to smart for me. Not being a smart but. Just saying. They still need charged with the crime.

The whole thing has been blown out of proportion. Yes it was stupid to do it at the school parking but what is done is done. The gun was not functional, he did not point it at anyone so let it go. This young man is serving our country and this whole thing could ruin his life. As long as a punishment goes, you don't think that being hand cuffed and drug to jail is enough? Let this poor boy go, clear his record and move forward with important issues.

Honestly he made a poor choice for sure but in today's society with all the school shooting how could he not think this was a really stupid idea?