Rule change would allow UTV use on city streets

Thursday, November 23, 2023
UTVs, like this one parked outside Kroger, could soon be legal on City of Greencastle streets. The City Council has passed an ordinance to that effect on first reading with second reading and adoption likely coming at the panel’s Dec. 14 meeting. While UTVs would be allowed under the ordinance, golf carts, ATVs, three-wheelers, four-wheelers and slow-moving vehicles are specifically excluded.
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Gentlemen, start your utility task vehicles.

An ordinance allowing the use of certain recreational off-highway vehicles on City of Greencastle streets has been passed on first reading by the City Council.

Ordinance 2023-7 awaits second reading and adoption, likely at the Council’s December meeting, scheduled for 7 p.m. Thursday, Dec. 14 at City Hall.

Introduced at the Council’s November meeting at the request of Councilman Cody Eckert, who noted that there was no uniform enforcement within the city. The proposed measure “makes it uniform and flexible for people who don’t want to use cars,” he added.

The ordinance “will allow people to do in the city what they already do in the county and other places,” Eckert explained.

Recreational off-highway vehicles, as defined by Indiana code, would be allowable under the ordinance upon passage and the posting of proper signage around Greencastle.

Specifically excluded are golf carts, ATVs, three-wheelers, four-wheelers and slow-moving vehicles, all of which are not recreational off-highway vehicles and not allowable by state statute.

Golf carts, for example, “do not have some of the safety features as these UTVs,” Mayor Bill Dory noted.

Council members pointed to use of such vehicles by DePauw University personnel, which is fine on campus, but when driven to other locations in town is currently not right.

“They have far exceeded the limits of campus, even after being reminded,” Dory added.

According to the ordinance, recreational off-highway vehicles shall:

-- Be larger than 50 inches but less than 80 inches in width when measured from outside of tire rim to outside of tire rim.

-- Have a dry weight of more than 1,500 pounds but less than 2,500 pounds.

-- Be designed for travel on four non-highway or off-highway tires.

-- Have the ability to operate at posted speed limits.

-- Be equipped with such equipment as safety belts for the driver and all passengers, either side mirrors or a rear-view mirror, traditional steering wheel, two headlights, two turn signals and at least one brake light.

Driver and passenger requirements include:

-- Drivers shall be at least 18 years old and possess a valid operator’s license.

-- Drivers shall possess proper insurance.

-- Any driver or passenger must wear a seatbelt in accordance with Indiana law.

-- No children requiring use of a harness seat are allowed as passengers.

As far as operations are concerned, recreational off-highway vehicles:

-- Shall be driven on city streets and alleys only and not on berms, sidewalks, pathways or city grass.

-- Are not permitted on city streets from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m.

-- May not travel on Veterans Memorial Highway.

-- Shall not be driven on state property, except while crossing at right angles for purposes of getting from one area to another.

Recreational off-highway vehicles must be registered annually with the City of Greencastle and pass inspection to operate on city streets. An initial fee of $100 will be required for inspection and processing costs. The permit may be renewed for an additional two years at a renewal fee of $35.

Violations of the ordinance will include a $100 fine for a first offense, $250 fine and 60-day suspension from using the vehicles on city streets on a second violation and $500 fine and lifetime suspension for a third offense.

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  • Just one big trailer park.

    -- Posted by techphcy on Thu, Nov 23, 2023, at 12:28 PM
  • Councilman Eckert stated, "Will allow people to do in the city what they already do in the county and other places."

    And what do they do in the county and other places- they drive like there are no laws that apply to them, they can drive any way they want.

    I travel on airport road into Greencastle. Often there are unlicensed minors driving dangerously on this road in unapproved vehicles. The traffic from the factories to and from work is dangerous with drivers speeding, tailgating and driving in the center of the road.

    Additionally, why approve a vehicle with only "one" tail light?

    City Council - Don't approve this ordinance. It's going to cause more headaches and problems for our law enforcement.

    The answer to this problem is for the people who buy these unapproved vehicles to not buy them in the first place since they know they are buying an unlawful vehicle not for the streets of Greencastle.

    -- Posted by Lookout on Thu, Nov 23, 2023, at 12:45 PM
  • I forgot to mention one thing in my previous post.

    In the picture, the UTV is parked in a NO PARKING ZONE!

    If the person who is driving this UTV does not even obey this, what laws do they obey?

    -- Posted by Lookout on Thu, Nov 23, 2023, at 12:54 PM
  • Good God greencastle.

    -- Posted by Keepyaguessin on Thu, Nov 23, 2023, at 4:32 PM
  • A better response to the apparent problem of DePauw driving these on city streets is to ticket DePauw for driving them on city streets.

    -- Posted by Koios on Thu, Nov 23, 2023, at 7:32 PM
  • I cannot believe this is even a conversation-UTV's are meant for the country not the city streets.Pass this ordinance and our city streets will be filled with an assortment of off road vehicles.Allow one type and they all will follow. What is the council thinking?

    -- Posted by justagirlinGC on Thu, Nov 23, 2023, at 10:00 PM
  • Recently I was on Albin Pond Road and 2 UTVs came roaring up behind me , they began coming up to my bumper and backing off only to do it again. Finally both passed me and away they went pulling away like they were doing maybe twice the speed limit. . Does the council realize some of these UTVs have top speeds of 70-80 mph? As to what they are doing in the County, I honestly haven't see a single Off Road vehicle displaying a registration placket and most treat the roads like an off road track. I agree with Koios , ticket and impound the DePauw vehicles. I also think this should be tabled until the new Mayor and City Council takes over in January.

    -- Posted by Alfred E. on Fri, Nov 24, 2023, at 8:17 AM
  • Properly registered and plated by DMV for on road use?

    -- Posted by rawinger on Fri, Nov 24, 2023, at 8:46 AM
  • Totally agree with all the previous comments. These "vehicles" coming roaring down my street at all hours of the day and night oblivious to the speed limit and any pedestrians. Table this until the new mayor takes over in January and the taxpayers opposed to this have a chance to attend the meeting and voice their concerns.

    -- Posted by Homegrown765 on Fri, Nov 24, 2023, at 10:14 AM
  • If your going to allow them in the city, the law needs to coincide with the state as well. Your mirrors & turn signals exceed the state statue requirements. Please follow the laws already present. A $35 3 year state registration is all is required. Don’t burden your city officers with silly inspections.

    -- Posted by smartmom on Fri, Nov 24, 2023, at 11:42 AM
  • I agree,these UTV’s are designed for off road use and that’s where they should remain, not on city streets. Please reconsider this and find out what most of your constituents are in favor of.

    -- Posted by Vaj on Fri, Nov 24, 2023, at 1:56 PM
  • The State disallows these on state or federal highways under their jurisdiction. I agree with the comments. Keep unlicensed vehicles off the streets. We have problems enough without them.

    -- Posted by Bob Fensterheim on Fri, Nov 24, 2023, at 2:45 PM
  • Will they be required to carry liability insurance like everyone else? If they hit another vehicle, they need to be held accountable just like everyone else. Will they be required to have all the same safety equipment as everyone else, including, but not limited to seat belts, lights, turn signals, SPEEDOMETERS, air bags, etc.?

    As for law enforcement, police cruisers can't go everywhere these narrow off-road vehicles can go, so the temptation to run from the police is much higher to people with bad intentions.

    -- Posted by Geologist on Fri, Nov 24, 2023, at 3:49 PM
  • Everyone here obviously missed the recent news about the city sewer dept. buying a UTV, and how they want to use it when doing street work. But how can they do that if it's illegal in the city? Mr. Eckert doesn't mention it, but I'd bet that's the reason behind wanting the change. https://www.bannergraphic.com/story/3017719.html

    If it does the speed limit and has all the requirements, I don't think it's really that much different than a Jeep.

    -- Posted by Raker on Fri, Nov 24, 2023, at 4:38 PM
  • These are not even in the same ballpark as a Jeep. They are not designed to meet federal safety regulations for roadworthy passenger vehicles. They require no training or license to operate. They’re much harder to see and avoid. To compare the two makes no sense at all.

    -- Posted by techphcy on Fri, Nov 24, 2023, at 5:58 PM
  • The sewer department can tow their UTV on a trailer, off load it, and reach their remote sewer projects without using the UTV on city streets.

    -- Posted by Koios on Fri, Nov 24, 2023, at 9:02 PM
  • Techpchy I disagree...just like a Jeep, it has seat belts and a roll bar, and probably has a sturdier body than some cars. They'll be required to have lights, mirrors, and licensed drivers and are only allowed on roads where the speed limit is 30 mph or less. I don't know what other safety regulations your referring to, you'll have to be more specific, but I think that a UTV is definitely safer than other legal vehicles like mopeds or e-bikes, or even motorcycles.

    -- Posted by Raker on Fri, Nov 24, 2023, at 9:24 PM
  • You all need to get over it. They are going to be used no matter what.

    -- Posted by bkamplain on Fri, Nov 24, 2023, at 9:37 PM
  • Heroin is going to be used no matter what. Doesn’t mean we need to get over it.

    -- Posted by techphcy on Sat, Nov 25, 2023, at 12:09 AM
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    I'm looking for 4th Ward residents to give me their opinions. Please contact me.

    (765) 276-8072

    Counciloraguirre@gmail.com

    -- Posted by Vincent Aguirre on Sat, Nov 25, 2023, at 8:41 AM
  • After ten minutes scanning the internet, I found a huge amount of information from both private organizations and government agencies trying to explain why ATVs, structurally, will never be as safe as an automobile. Included within were several discussions concerning the careless and often dangerous operating attitudes drivers develop while operating ATVs.

    I also agree with Raker; they are probably safer than e-bikes, mopeds, and motorcycles. Where I don't agree is his belief that ATVs are like Jeeps. I find a great deal of fault with that comparison. I wouldn't want to be on board any ATV that by accident or choice came head-to-head with any 4x4, even a Jeep or a compact.

    -- Posted by Prince of Stardust Hills on Sat, Nov 25, 2023, at 9:56 AM
  • Look, I'm no big fan of ATVs or UTVs or whatever term you use, and I'll admit that a UTV having roll bars or a roll cage doesn't make it safer than a car or as safe as a jeep, in terms of an accident with another vehicle at higher speeds, or even a rolIover accident. There's injury risk in an accident whether driving one of these, a jeep, or a convertible car, etc. It obviously doesn't have the same type of frame or body. But it's definitely safer than a quad or a golf cart, and as I said, driven only on city streets with a max speed of 30 mph and all the necessary requirements, it just makes me think of a mini version of a jeep!

    -- Posted by Raker on Sat, Nov 25, 2023, at 12:22 PM
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